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Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:36 pm to rockiee
This class would be 3rd in the Big 12 behind only Texas and OU. It's 10th in the SEC. We would be competing for championships in the Big 12 immediately. Instead, we just spent $160 million on a stadium that's empty after halftime and we might not win an SEC game for two straight years.
We aren't relevant in the SEC. We would be in the Big 12. But we have fans that would rather go 0-8 because "the money." They act like they're getting a cut, it's really strange to watch.
We aren't relevant in the SEC. We would be in the Big 12. But we have fans that would rather go 0-8 because "the money." They act like they're getting a cut, it's really strange to watch.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:39 pm to Stonehog
quote:omg you areeither trolling or really really dense. Let me out it this way. Say we get the 14th ranked class in the nation but all other 13 sec teams finish ahead of us nationally, that's right even vandy and Kentucky pull a top 10 class. Now we would be dead last in recruiting in the sec, BUT in all actuality our talent would be so close to the rest of the teams in the division it's not like we are guaranteed to lose any of those games. It just means every game is going to be a dog fight because every team is talented. You see it doesn't really matter who's no.13 recruiting class vs no. 19 as long as you are both in the top 20 that means you have solid talent coming in, the difference in rating the 4 star no. 237 player in the country vs the 4 star 311th player in the country is like splitting count hairs, as long as you get one of them, preferably the one you want who fits your system, then that means your team is going to have talent. It's not like we are signing 450th ranked classes full of 3 and 2 stars. We are signing classes that have a good number of 4 stars with high 3 stars sprinkled in. That means we can compete and will start soon enough
What's YOUR point? We have a better class than Purdue, big fricking deal. How does that help us win the SEC?
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:41 pm to Stonehog
Hell if anything you should know recruiting rankings dont mean shite if you have a dupshit for a coach. What has Mizzou and state done to us the last 4 years and where have they finished in the recruiting rankings?? Same thing happens if we have a good coach with 20th ranked recruiting class he can make them play above their rankings into the top 10 just like how Mullen took a bunch of 40th ranked classes at Mississippi state and turned them into top 20-25 teams.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:41 pm to Stonehog
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We would be competing for championships in the Big 12 immediately.
Disagree, you don't compete for conference titles because of one class, especially as freshman. If over a 3-4 year span he finished 3rd behind those teams then I would agree but we still would be 3rd favorite at most.
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We aren't relevant in the SEC. We would be in the Big 12.
Where do you think we would have finished in the B12 last year and where do you think we would finish in the upcoming year?
This post was edited on 2/13/19 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:46 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
We don't need some made up hypothetical, we can look at this year's classes. The only teams we're close to in our division are the Mississippi schools.
We're not in the top 20! Talk about being dense.
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You see it doesn't really matter who's no.13 recruiting class vs no. 19 as long as you are both in the top 20 that means you have solid talent coming in
We're not in the top 20! Talk about being dense.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:50 pm to rockiee
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Where do you think we would have finished in the B12 last year
Would have made a bowl, probably would have finished top 5. Instead we had the worst season in the history of the program. But just think of all the money we made!
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where do you think we would finish in the upcoming year?
Top 3.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:52 pm to Stonehog
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Stonehog
Damn, you have a bigger trust in Chad than I do
Posted on 2/13/19 at 4:59 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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well we just had the no.22 ranked class when we only won 2 frickinv games so if we get to a bowl game I predict a top 15 recruiting finish.
Even a top 15 finish in recruiting could still be middle of the pack. Another reason why it's ignorant to leave the SEC. Most kids that we get are the kids who can't get to the big schools and we should be happy we have the SEC thing. But I do agree with you that if we can pull this off a 2 win sqaud , recruiting should only get better with more wins.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 5:01 pm to Stonehog
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Would have made a bowl, probably would have finished top 5
Not sure how when we couldn't beat Colorado State or North Texas. North Texas was a good team but still. We would have probably had 4 wins instead of 2 imo.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 5:52 pm to Stonehog
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We're not in the top 20! Talk about being dense.
Mike isn't either so there's that.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 6:19 pm to ArHog
Ouchhh
Posted on 2/13/19 at 6:32 pm to Stonehog
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We aren't relevant in the SEC. We would be in the Big 12.
The SEC has produced 10 of the last 20 national champions, the Texass 12 has produced 2. Being relevant in a conference that isn’t really relevant in college football is in no way an upgrade.
Posted on 2/13/19 at 7:22 pm to troyt37
Yep,look at our bowl record while we were in the swc.
We had a good record most years,but got beat when going against some of the better teams from other conferences in bowls.
But that stomping of okie in the Orange Bowl was priceless...One of the greatest games I've ever yelled through....
We had a good record most years,but got beat when going against some of the better teams from other conferences in bowls.
But that stomping of okie in the Orange Bowl was priceless...One of the greatest games I've ever yelled through....
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Posted on 2/14/19 at 12:30 am to troyt37
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Being relevant in a conference that isn’t really relevant in college football is in no way an upgrade.
It doesn't matter how "relevant" the conference is if we can't compete. I don't care how successful Alabama is, I'd rather actually win some conference games. We are 1-15 the past two years, that lone win was a 1-point win on a last second field goal against an Ole Miss team with an interim coach. Bottom line is we don't belong in this conference and we have more than two decades of evidence to prove it. A couple good seasons out of 25 isn't enough reason to stay.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:38 am to Stonehog
quote:Why are you acting like we've been a joke in the SEC the entire time? Bert sucked. We were fine before that. Ole Miss cheated their asses off and still couldn't accomplish what we have.
It doesn't matter how "relevant" the conference is if we can't compete.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 8:15 am to Stonehog
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It doesn't matter how "relevant" the conference is if we can't compete.
If we can't compete against Alabama, Auburn, LSU, then we can't compete against Texas and Oklahoma. By your logic, we should get ourselves in the Sunbelt so we can feel good about our program. It doesn't work that way.
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Bottom line is we don't belong in this conference and we have more than two decades of evidence to prove it.
What would that evidence be? Evidence like the fact that we share equally between all members, instead of having our share dictated to us by Texas?
Evidence like the fact that the Texass 12 has won the CFB national championship 2 out of the last 20 years, while the SEC has won it 10 of the last 20?
Evidence like the fact that our facilities are on par or better than anyone in the country after 25+ years in the SEC?
Evidence like the fact that dissolution of the conference you want us to leave the SEC for is a constant subject of discussion, and is really only a matter of either one of 2 schools making the decision to move on?
The only place that Arkansas hasn't competed at the top levels in the SEC is on the field, and on the court. Why? Danny Ford, Houston Nutt, Bobby Petrino, Brett Bielema, and Nolan Richardson, Stan Heath, John Pelphrey, Mike Anderson. We had some good years with Petrino, and some great years with Nolan. That's it, for 27 years in football and basketball.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 10:01 am to troyt37
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Evidence like the fact that the Texass 12 has won the CFB national championship 2 out of the last 20 years, while the SEC has won it 10 of the last 20?
Who gives a shite? Congrats to Bama for winning a bunch of championships I guess. Not sure how that helps Arkansas win conference games.
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The only place that Arkansas hasn't competed at the top levels in the SEC is on the field, and on the court.
So, the only sports people care about.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 11:17 am to Stonehog
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Who gives a shite? Congrats to Bama for winning a bunch of championships I guess. Not sure how that helps Arkansas win conference games.
And Auburn, and LSU, and Florida. If your ultimate goal is to win conference games, go to the Sunbelt. That isn't anyone's goal, except for maybe you. Everyone else wants to compete at the highest levels of college football, which means we couldn't be in a better conference.
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So, the only sports people care about.
The SEC isn't the reason for this though, genius. It's been because of where our programs were early on, and who we have hired to run our programs since. Arkansas is what keeps Arkansas from competing in the SEC.
Posted on 2/14/19 at 12:21 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Mullen took a bunch of 40th ranked classes at Mississippi state and turned them into top 20-25 teams.
MSU under Mullen actually recruited very similarly to us. Before him they were almost always dead last in the West in recruiting by a large margin but now they stay around the top 20-30.
I can see both sides of this. If we were in the Big 12 in 2011 then we might have played for a national championship or at least competed with Oklahoma State for a BCS bowl. Instead we went to the Cotton Bowl. But if we were ever good enough in the Big 12 to beat OU then we should be good enough to compete for the SEC West most years too so I'm not sure it makes that much of a difference. I mean, I don't see how anyone can say we would have been any good in any P5 conference lately when we're losing to North Texas and Colorado State.
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