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re: I'm willing to admit dale was wrong about dvh.
Posted on 5/30/21 at 7:31 pm to Drewbie
Posted on 5/30/21 at 7:31 pm to Drewbie
Really think about it drewbie, maybe read it again and think about, if it still doesn't click, go kicked around in tRant per usual and come back to it later.
Or consider what should be the highlight of your existence here, DVH winning two titles in one year thus far, you're more concerned if I feel bad for facts stated on the internet.
I don't.
Or consider what should be the highlight of your existence here, DVH winning two titles in one year thus far, you're more concerned if I feel bad for facts stated on the internet.
I don't.
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Posted on 5/30/21 at 7:33 pm to DaleDenton
Dale,
You don't like Van Horn for whatever reason. That's fine. I never like Long and had disdain for him when virtually everyone else loved him. I understand. But your rantings, and false equivalences just make you look like a fool. Probable best to just let it go.
You don't like Van Horn for whatever reason. That's fine. I never like Long and had disdain for him when virtually everyone else loved him. I understand. But your rantings, and false equivalences just make you look like a fool. Probable best to just let it go.
Posted on 5/30/21 at 7:33 pm to DaleDenton
I thought about it. You're still a retard equating conference championships to divisional titles trying to rationalize why we shouldn't be happy with the most decorated coach we have had in the big 3 sports in decades. The fact you're trying to spin logic to say he got some kind of extra leash or should have been fired is all anyone needs to know. If it were up to you, we'd have fired an elite baseball coach years ago.
Get bent.
Get bent.
This post was edited on 5/30/21 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 5/30/21 at 7:45 pm to Drewbie
Nutt would talk about getting to Atlanta how big and important that was. Since ties have been eliminated from football for a while now, it's the same as tieing UGA in 04.
This was the first year DVH took a team to Hoover with nothing to gain,not seeding, not hosting or not, nothing on the line or matters was to be gained this week.
In the past the excuse was DVH doesn't care about hoover all about getting rest and guys fresh for regionals. So if it were true, 0-2 would be achieved playing guys rarely seen during those two games, instead lose slavens and trott your best pitcher out in the finals to seal the deal.
Obviously DVH wants to win every title possible, he hasn't had the team capable before this year, even if some wanted to pretend otherwise.
This was the first year DVH took a team to Hoover with nothing to gain,not seeding, not hosting or not, nothing on the line or matters was to be gained this week.
In the past the excuse was DVH doesn't care about hoover all about getting rest and guys fresh for regionals. So if it were true, 0-2 would be achieved playing guys rarely seen during those two games, instead lose slavens and trott your best pitcher out in the finals to seal the deal.
Obviously DVH wants to win every title possible, he hasn't had the team capable before this year, even if some wanted to pretend otherwise.
Posted on 5/30/21 at 8:02 pm to DaleDenton
quote:I'm not even sure why I'm continuing this conversation as I know I'm going to have to point out the disingenuousness of every reply but whatever.
In the past the excuse was DVH doesn't care about hoover all about getting rest and guys fresh for regionals. So if it were true, 0-2 would be achieved playing guys rarely seen during those two games, instead lose slavens and trott your best pitcher out in the finals to seal the deal.
The "excuse" literally came from DVH's mouth. He would routinely say that he'd use the tournament for guys who needed work in years that our seeding was solidified and a host was locked up. Starters would be on strict pitch counts and that overrode any game state we were ever in. Obviously in years that the team still had work to do on that front and we came up short because the talent just wasn't there.
I'm also not sure why you're trying to insinuate that it would apply to this year as you've already pointed out how he's switched to just winning the game in front of him and said as much in interviews. I do think he is using this year to check off a lot of boxes and winning the tournament was one of them. That doesn't mean for a second that I think he approached the previous years in the same way. I'll give an example:
He just threw Lockhart today. Lockhart is now a top 3 starter now that Pallette is out. He also just threw 6 innings 4 days ago. There's no way DVH would have thrown a top starter on short rest in the SEC tournament before this year. It just wasn't going to happen. We made the Finals 5 times and this is the first time he's thrown all hands on deck like that. In the past we would have seen Trest, Starks, etc.
In the past he's always prioritized prepping for Regionals above all else. This year he chased the trophy and there are stark differences in how he managed in order to get it. Whether it impacts Regionals and beyond has yet to be seen.
This post was edited on 5/31/21 at 4:30 am
Posted on 5/30/21 at 8:12 pm to Drewbie
That's a long winded reply to admit I was right and DVH was approaching the game the wrong way.
People change, props to him for hiring guys who understand the game today and listening to them.
If Saban still had the same mindset he had when hired at bama in 07, he wouldn't currently be the HC of bama...
People change, props to him for hiring guys who understand the game today and listening to them.
If Saban still had the same mindset he had when hired at bama in 07, he wouldn't currently be the HC of bama...
Posted on 5/30/21 at 8:15 pm to DaleDenton
quote:6 appearances in Omaha says otherwise.
DVH was approaching the game the wrong way.
Posted on 5/30/21 at 8:18 pm to DaleDenton
Don’t you think this would be rather situational, depending on the strength and depth of the team you have from year to year? It seems to me that you are discounting that, and much more. Baseball just doesn’t work like other sports do, and we have never really had the pitiful, miserable baseball seasons that reflect subpar coaching with DVH.
Posted on 5/30/21 at 8:24 pm to troyt37
2016 was pretty miserable and subpar.
He won the big12 tourney three straight years, the big 12 isn't a conference you have to win to get in. It's silly to think he's never cared about winning conference titles before this year, he hasn't had a roster capable of doing it or he would have tried.
He won the big12 tourney three straight years, the big 12 isn't a conference you have to win to get in. It's silly to think he's never cared about winning conference titles before this year, he hasn't had a roster capable of doing it or he would have tried.
Posted on 5/30/21 at 8:32 pm to Drewbie
I think he approached this tournament like any other year. But Arkansas won the first game and I think DVH started to change his mind and wanted to test how deep his pitching staff really is. I think after winning the second game, he wanted to win by getting pitchers work like Noland and Wiggins.
I don't think DVH knew how good the pitching on this team really is until after the tournament today.
Arkansas won four games against Georgia, Vandy, Ole Miss and Tennessee. That is stiff competition and earlier years DVH would haven't risked it because he just didn't have the arms to win the SEC tournament.
I don't think DVH knew how good the pitching on this team really is until after the tournament today.
Arkansas won four games against Georgia, Vandy, Ole Miss and Tennessee. That is stiff competition and earlier years DVH would haven't risked it because he just didn't have the arms to win the SEC tournament.
Posted on 5/30/21 at 8:42 pm to DaleDenton
DVH would have more conference titles if he was in a different conference.
The SEC is a beast in baseball. This year was the toughest schedule Arkansas has ever faced and they were picked third in the west.
The SEC is a beast in baseball. This year was the toughest schedule Arkansas has ever faced and they were picked third in the west.
Posted on 5/30/21 at 8:44 pm to DaleDenton
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2016 was pretty miserable and subpar.
Okay. Due to subpar coaching, or just a bad season? I mean considering that we probably averaged 40 wins the 5 years before and the 5 years after, you have to assume it was just a down year, don’t you?
Posted on 5/30/21 at 8:54 pm to troyt37
This is absolutely an Arkansas fan thread....
We can't enjoy current success, nope... We must continually bring up the past... Of failures, disappointments, and almost championships.
Compare, Contrast, and deflated memories.
As if the reality of today doesn't matter. WE WON and DVH is a Heckuva coach. That is all we need to know at this very point!
We can't enjoy current success, nope... We must continually bring up the past... Of failures, disappointments, and almost championships.
Compare, Contrast, and deflated memories.
As if the reality of today doesn't matter. WE WON and DVH is a Heckuva coach. That is all we need to know at this very point!
Posted on 5/30/21 at 9:31 pm to Razorback Reverend
It’s entirely Dale’s prerogative to have a big boner for DVH. But it isn’t his prerogative to act like there are any substantive objective reasons to think we should have looked elsewhere for a coach at any time in his tenure. The man has led us to the CWS 7 times in 18 years. Outside of track and field, that kind of success is unheard of at Arkansas.
Posted on 5/30/21 at 9:33 pm to Razorback Reverend
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This is absolutely an Arkansas fan thread....
It's everything I hoped for. These are the real we are Arkansas moments. A true razorback celebration.
This post was edited on 5/30/21 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 5/30/21 at 9:46 pm to troyt37
It was a down year because we lost quite a bit of players from the CWS team of the year before.
The team was ranked and having a good year but I think injuries caused them to go on a losing streak to end the year.
The team was ranked and having a good year but I think injuries caused them to go on a losing streak to end the year.
Posted on 5/30/21 at 10:26 pm to oklahogjr
Posted on 5/30/21 at 10:27 pm to oklahogjr
Posted on 6/2/21 at 11:17 pm to oklahogjr
I still think zipline jousting would be a good use for stadiums when they're not being used.
Posted on 6/2/21 at 11:46 pm to johnzorback
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still think zipline jousting would be a good use for stadiums when they're not being used.
Would be the most successful thing to happen in thst stadium in a decade
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