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re: Done With DVH.

Posted on 5/20/23 at 4:06 pm to
Posted by RazorbackLaw501
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 4:06 pm to
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Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 5/20/23 at 4:17 pm to
No worries. I went overboard and wrote a manifesto that I can’t hardly comprehend. But I’m not going to unpost something I posted after having a couple of beverages and then all heck breaking loose bc I feel like that’s backtracking and bad form on my part. I hope that I’m wrong about anything negative I said and we all want to win but some of us also forget that the journey is the real adventure and we’ve got a lot to be grateful for regarding our team, fans, and even coach(who objectively is absolutely one of the best college baseball coaches in the country and is definitely the best without a Title - I hope he gets it as he’s absolutely put us in the map).
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1793 posts
Posted on 5/20/23 at 4:21 pm to
Definitely unhinged at the time and had had some beverages and made the fatal error of hitting “submit”. The real judgement will be on postseason. That’s what matters for our program at this point and we’ve made it. So, whatever it takes to do well to advance.
Posted by weremoose
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 6:59 pm to
k keep us posted
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 6/4/23 at 7:42 pm to


Don’t be an obtuse sore loser before it’s even over. I’m not mad - 1 player had the game of his life for them. 3hr, 2gs, and 11rbis. Hopefully we can forget about it ?????. Nbd, right?
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 6/5/23 at 4:52 pm to
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Not trolling. But why did you delete your posts? Despite the way this year will end. I’m way less pissed(if even) than I was after the Vandy collapse. I can elaborate as to why later.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
22752 posts
Posted on 6/5/23 at 7:04 pm to
Once you accept that DVH will always shite the bed, there's virtually no stress to any of these games.
Posted by VagueMessage
Fayetteville, AR
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 6/7/23 at 1:02 pm to
I don't understand why the opinions on him are so polarized all the time. He's the baseball Mark Richt. And that's not really an insult, because Mark Richt was a damn good coach. Georgia wandered the desert for 15 years before he turned them into yearly competitors. He was within arm's reach of the NCG two different times.

DVH has taken us to the CWS seven times. We've only been 11 times in our history. He's gonna be 63 next season and I don't think he has a whole lot of these heartbreaks left in him. But we're in the hunt every year.

Then you have people (especially on HV, oh my God) who think he's entirely above reproach in every way. You can't criticize anything, or be angry at any of the shortcoming. 2018, 2021, this year. The bed-shitting upsets keep piling up, and we're supposed to be ceaselessly happy about it?

I think he's done a good enough job to retire whenever he wants. But the fact of the matter is six other SEC teams have won baseball NCs since he got hired here - two of them have won multiple NCs. And Georgia has matched our high-water mark of runner-up, and that's a school that barely gives half a shite about baseball. When Texas and Oklahoma join, add another NC winner and another runner-up since DVH was hired. That's enough teams to make an entirely new conference out of. He brought us to new heights, but we're not going to take that final step until he leaves. Just like Georgia with Mark Richt.

I daresay we care more about baseball than any other SEC fan base with the exception of LSU and maybe Mississippi State. If DVH retires, I'll be sad to see the end of a great era, but we have the drive and resources to go out there and get a proven and awesome coach. Arkansas baseball and basketball are not Arkansas football. We can contend every year and win multiple championships in both sports in all our lifetimes. I don't want to come off as either ungrateful or entitled, DVH is what he is and I enjoy as much of the ride as I can - which is thankfully quite a bit of it. But he's going sooner than later, and I can't lie if I say I'm not excited at the possibility of watching us plunder a lesser program's underachieving coach and maybe finally adding a trophy to the case.
Posted by gohogs141
Fayetteville
Member since Jun 2011
7515 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 1:28 pm to
One thing I've learned from watching sports over the years is it doesn't really matter how much your fans care about a sport or how much money you pour into it, it doesn't really mean anything when it comes to winning. Might help but at the end of the day there are thousands of players out there that compete against you and it's not always going to go in your favor no matter how many advantages you may have when you try to recruit the best players.
Posted by RazorHawg
Member since Aug 2013
24294 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:41 pm to
It truly is random and the postseason is all about getting hot with talented, healthy players who weren't wore down by the length of the regular season.
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1793 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:48 pm to
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He's the baseball Mark Richt.


Absolutely agree. Agree with entire post. Some on here don’t like my delivery, but I just think that we can do even more with baseball. With or without DVH(and yes, he is beyond firing unless he does/says something horrible off the field or unprofessionally). But I hope that we are ready and have a good succession plan in place either way. I WOULD LOVE to see him win it all once - for his sake and for all the times he’s been and almost done it(just as much as for myself or anyone else who wants to see it). We just don’t need to act like he’s going to be here forever or the only one who can succeed here. Some were worried/adamantly against Mike Anderson being let go. Again, I’m not equating him to DVH or saying fire DVH, but there would be options for us and we will hit that crossroads at some point whether or not people are willing to admit. Also, TCU was just a shite draw for us. They’ve had our pitchers’ numbers all season.
Posted by Hogssmellgood
Hog in Vol land
Member since Nov 2012
2107 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:05 pm to
They also might win the whole thing. They’re the hottest team in baseball right now. Which is what it’s all about. It’s why ole miss and Mississippi st won the last 2 titles. Hell it’s why most mlb teams win the World Series. Baseball is the most crap shoot of postseasons.
Posted by Cornelius
1800s
Member since Aug 2012
1036 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:03 pm to
I've never thought any coach to be infallible, and certainly don't think DVH is, but when you look at what he's done over the last 6 complete seasons, his record is unmatched, with the lone exception being winning it all.

Since 2017:

- Regional appearance every year.
- 4 Super Regional appearances.
- 3 CWS appearances.
- 1 CWS runner up.
- 5 regional hosts.
- 4 top 8 national seeds.
- 2 overall conference titles.
- 1 conference tournament title (doesn't really matter).
- 4 western division titles (including ties).
- Hasn't finished below 2nd in the division.
- Average 19+ conference wins.
- 7 top 10 recruiting classes (Perfect game)

All of this in arguably the hardest division in the hardest conference in college baseball.

There's probably 2 coaches in college baseball who have sustained a similar level of success over the same period of time, Tim Corbin and Kevin O'Sullivan. Both have fewer CWS appearances since 2017 (Sully can get to 3 this year), and both have had consecutive seasons where they failed to get out of regional play, something DVH hasn't done since 2016 & 2017.

I get the frustration, but Arkansas, Florida, and Vanderbilt are arguably the top 3 programs in college baseball since 2017, and they've combined to win only 2 CWS titles over that span (with two painful runners up), while Florida could still add to that mark this year. Don't even get me started on playing what could have been if just 3 games turned out differently.

Given this picture, I still think it's just a matter of time before DVH wins one.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12407 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:39 pm to
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I daresay we care more about baseball than any other SEC fan base with the exception of LSU and maybe Mississippi State. If DVH retires, I'll be sad to see the end of a great era, but we have the drive and resources to go out there and get a proven and awesome coach. Arkansas baseball and basketball are not Arkansas football. We can contend every year and win multiple championships in both sports in all our lifetimes.


Agree.

I have a feeling that, ultimately, our trajectory will be similar to Mississippi State’s.

Ron Polk went to Omaha several times but never won it all. Then after he retires they randomly win one with Lemonis. Polk is an all time great whereas Lemonis is not a very good coach, but it just happened to randomly come together for him one year.

I’ve said this many times, but college baseball’s postseason is the weirdest and most inexplicable in the big 3. It’s one predicated more on who’s hot at the right time as opposed to total body of work over a season, and it’s one where Mike Martin and Dave Van Horn have 0 rings in 26 combined trips to Omaha but Mike Bianco and Chris Lemonis have 1 apiece.

Hell, Pat Casey only went to the CWS 6 times in his career and won 3 of them. Corbin has only gone 5 but has won twice.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
57839 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 6:49 pm to
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Given this picture, I still think it's just a matter of time before DVH wins one.
Agreed. I was never that high on this year's team to begin with so I guess this one just isn't hitting me as hard. I don't get the melting. Thought it was pretty obvious early on we were gonna have to get extremely lucky to go deep this year. Turns out we were the opposite of lucky and were nowhere near good enough to overcome it.

Just reload and hope for better injury luck next year.
This post was edited on 6/7/23 at 6:52 pm
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1793 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:03 pm to
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Baseball is the most crap shoot of postseasons.


Agreed.
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1793 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:05 pm to
It’s hard to argue against that. I think my thread title should just be “Eternal Frustration of the Razorback Fan Mind”.
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1793 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 8:07 pm to
This is true. Macro perspective is that we absolutely overachieved based on how everything panned out. People can say different, but we suffered more significant injuries than any team I can think of. And yeah, it happens but it usually doesn’t result in a late hot run under rational thought.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27329 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 10:26 pm to
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Baseball is the most crap shoot of postseasons.


Dave needs to hand the dice off cause his arse be rolling snake eyes. CWS opponents taking his money like he's ashy Larry.
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
21217 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 11:42 pm to
If Arkansas ever wins it then it will be when it is least expected. The more you expect something will happen, the more likely it won't happen if that makes sense.

Usually coaches that have been at a program 10 plus years no matter the sport that haven't gotten over the hump will rarely do so. You do have a few cases of some coaches doing so but that isn't really the norm.

Mark Richt had some moments that would rival the foul ball. He leaves and Kirby Smart takes over, he had a Mark Richt moment against Bama in one game. But finally got Georgia over the hump in his 6th year.

Tommy Tuberville spent 10 years at Auburn and only had one SEC title. He leaves then a coach with a losing record from Iowa State comes in and wins the NC in his second year.

Butch Davis spent some years at Miami. He leaves for Cleveland and Larry Coker wins the NC in his first year.

Tommy Bowden spent 10 years at Clemson with nothing to show for it. Dabo takes over and wins two NCs in his 8th and 10th year.

Johnny Majors spent 16 years at Tennessee and never won a NC. But fat Phil takes over and wins it in his 6th year.

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