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re: Chad Morris is not SEC head coach material
Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:14 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:14 pm to Stonehog
Some of these players quit midway through last season.
Bill Belechik and Nick Saban couldn't win with these weak-arse quitters.
Morris may not make it in the SEC but it's too early to tell.
Bill Belechik and Nick Saban couldn't win with these weak-arse quitters.
Morris may not make it in the SEC but it's too early to tell.
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Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:14 pm to DaleDenton
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Arkansas is going to do a 180 in coaching hires, the POTB just can help themselves not too.
And the GOBN will drop big $$$$ for what they think will be the HR hire will be.
The demand for a Jimbo type hire will be the only thing that will satisfy the fan base and put asses back in the seats at DWRRS.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:21 pm to DaleDenton
quote:I don't disagree, but you also can't deny the quality of the skill players that come out of Texas. I'm not exactly ok with filling our defense with players from there, but I don't mind a few Cobi Hamiltons and maybe a QB sprinkled into the roster every now and then.
Arkansas is the big deal. You start there and work you way outward.
You do not start in Texas and work your way back in.
I have no problems prioritizing Texas. They clearly put more effort into their High School football than we do, but I also think that in-state recruiting fixes itself with winning. When Arkansas is good, kids from Arkansas want to play for Arkansas. If we have a coach that can bring in kids that will make Arkansas good from outside of Arkansas to start that effect, I'm willing to let them try. Obviously I want him to be as adamant about the coaches in our state as he is the ones in Texas, but he's a former Texas HS coach. That's something I can live with.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:34 pm to DaleDenton
How do you feel that chip kelley. The originator of your post narrative change is sucking it up this year? I guess he sucks now, after going like 4 years in the NFL.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:39 pm to Drewbie
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When Arkansas is good, kids from Arkansas want to play for Arkansas
This has historically not been true going back the past 15 years.
In 2006 while winning the SEC-West and a muffed fumble from winning the SEC. Lose Williams to SC, Green to SC (who later transferred back), Mallett to Michigan, Burns and Ziemba to Auburn.
In 2007 while not a year of meeting expectations before the coaching change; Adams to SC, Wright and Childs to TTU, Wilson to Tulsa.
During 2010/2011 the height of the program in almost half a century- #1 recruit in the state RB to Clemson (can't remember his name), Dyer to Auburn.
While Bert was in good standing and optimism surrounded the program, the D-linemen from NWA to Bama.
This doesn't count the guys who were passed over during that time frame like Crockett.
For a coach who is complaining about guys not caring or buying in, someone needs to clue him in that Arkansas kids tend to care more about Arkansas being good than guys from Texas or other places. They also tend to be more willing to switch positions than out of state guys or in other words want to help the team and Arkansas more than what they think is best for themselves.
It isn't a coincidence that Arkansas's best teams have had the stars of the team being players from Arkansas going all the way back to the 1940s. Arkansas can not afford to lose SEC/P5 talent from Arkansas.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 2:53 pm to Stonehog
There’s a huuuuge difference in a borderline top 30 class than a borderline top 10 class. Don’t even try to compare the two. I mean he’s trying to fit a square peg in a round hole with his players. He’s tried to sacrifice his system to fit our players as much as he could. You think he wants to run it up the middle 20 times a game?
Posted on 11/18/18 at 3:03 pm to Drewbie
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So is averaging less than 3 stars per recruiting class over an entire tenure. That's Kentucky level recruiting and we wonder why we're bad now.
Ironically, Bielema signed the same number of >3 star classes as Nutt, in half the time. IIRC, Arkansas was finishing 7th in the SEC when Nutt was doing it, though.
Despite what many believe, we didn't recruit poorly under Bielema, at least according to the services, but Chad is just recruiting better than anyone we've had in the recruiting service era. Unfortunately, all of the other bottom feeders in the SEC have improved their recruiting tremendously in the last 10 years.
This post was edited on 11/18/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 11/18/18 at 3:28 pm to redeye
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Ironically, Bielema signed the same number of >3 star classes as Nutt, in half the time. IIRC, Arkansas was finishing 7th in the SEC when Nutt was doing it, though.
Despite what many believe, we didn't recruit poorly under Bielema, at least according to the services, but Chad is just recruiting better than anyone we've had in the recruiting service era. Unfortunately, all of the other bottom feeders in the SEC have improved their recruiting tremendously in the last 10 years.
Thank you for posting this. What everyone is ignoring in the "we have talent arguement" we have lost more than anyone since 2012. Our recruiting hasnt changed, and everyone elses got better.
We had enough to beat CSU. Not really anyone else because most of berts 4 stars were busts, and never contributed . When i seen us live vs lsu. It was obvious that we are small, and slow. We do not have talent. Im sorry.
This post was edited on 11/18/18 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 11/18/18 at 3:45 pm to russellvillehog
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Our recruiting hasnt changed, and everyone elses got better.
Yea, that's huge. Back in the early aughts, we actually finished with higher classes than Alabama a couple of times, so it's not just the bottom feeders that are recruiting better. All you have to do is look where we'd place in other P5 conferences to see that our recruiting hasn't been that bad, but it's just hasn't been good enough for the SEC. Now we have a coach who's recruiting good enough, as many have been wanting, but we only won 2 games and we're questioning his coaching abilities.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 4:30 pm to redeye
Its about the jimmies and joes, not the x's and O's. Im willing to let him get those before i give a shite about firing him.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 4:50 pm to redeye
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All you have to do is look where we'd place in other P5 conferences to see that our recruiting hasn't been that bad, but it's just hasn't been good enough for the SEC. Now we have a coach who's recruiting good enough, as many have been wanting, but we only won 2 games and we're questioning his coaching abilities.
We aren't losing only SEC games which means the talent argument doesn't carry as much weight.
It isn't just a 2-10 season that is the problem its finishing 2-10 with FCS, Tulsa, North Texas State, Colorado State, Vandy, Ole Miss, Ms State, and Mizzou all being on the schedule in the same year.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 9:34 pm to DaleDenton
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We aren't losing only SEC games which means the talent argument doesn't carry as much weight.
Yep. I think it's safe to say that this season has been worse than any of us imagined and we weren't expecting much. But we have had several players leave and those that remain are trying to learn a diametrically opposite system.
I'm still not sure how well our coaches can coach, but as long as they're recruiting well, they deserve a legit opportunity to prove themselves. Besides, I'd hate to see who we'd end up with if we got rid of them.
Let's also not forget that our players have seemingly been giving up for 3 years now and that culture/mindset takes time to change.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 9:59 pm to dbeck
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Some of these players quit midway through last season.
morris had no one prepared for the season is my biggbig west complaint.
it took most of the year to sometimes line up correctly. I expected us to be as bad as we are now to start not work up to being this shitty.
with that said the players arent getting done either. we seem to call the right plays but rarely execute.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:34 am to Stonehog
I think this is the point some people would start questioning your sanity, miserable life, etc.
Me? I just disagree with your overreaction.
Me? I just disagree with your overreaction.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:26 am to Stonehog
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For everyone who wants to put all the blame on the players, did you know we averaged a top 25 class the past five years? The recruiting under Bielema was not historically bad. This Chad Morris coached team is.
Bielema isn't forcing Chad to put Deon Stewart in the game. He's not forcing Chad to have De'vion Warren try two trick plays in the same game. This guy has no fricking clue what he's doing and it shows. He might not even be head coach material at all, as his record as a head coach now stands at 16-31. At some point you have to start blaming the guy in charge.
spot on
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:27 am to Stonehog
wait weren't you yelling at me weeks back for basically saying the same thing?
I honestly can't remember if it was you, but I think it might have been - apology if it was not you
I honestly can't remember if it was you, but I think it might have been - apology if it was not you
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:31 am to PorkSammich
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I don't think Morris is the issue at all. Some of his assistants are, especially Joe Craddock.
so Morris hired Craddock
Craddock is Morris' primary protege
Craddock is running Morris' offense
but Morris is completely absolved of responsibility
holy shite
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:49 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Weren’t you on Twitter defending Pulley and Curl
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 8:51 am
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:49 am to hilltophog
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Composite is the best route to go - it's the average of all rankings:
Bielema 2013 - 23
Bielema 2014 - 29
Bielema 2015 - 22
Bielema 2016 - 23
Bielema 2017 - 27
Bielema average = 24.8
Now look at who he recruited and who stayed. This doesn't even include non contributors or shitty contributors.
2013 class: 9 players either transferred, quit, or kicked off
2014 class: 11 players either transferred, quit, or kicked off(1 never made it)
2015 class: 7 players either transferred, quit, retired, kicked off
2016 class: 3 players left(ONLY 3 OL taken. 2 JUCO's and now gone)
2017 class: Where most of the production is coming from. Only 3 OL taken.
After 2015 the OL recruiting really took a nose dive. That is a big reason we are where we are right now.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 8:53 am to Hawgeye
There is only one question that needs to be asked for those that don’t think there is a huge lack of talent on this team. How many of these players would start for a mid tier SEC team?
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