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re: Anonymous SEC coaches say that we're still going to suck
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:03 am to Drewbie
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:03 am to Drewbie
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Would you have considered Pinkel a good coach based on his 3 year sample size?
Irrelevant question. Mizzou didn't hire Pinkel after three years at Toledo. He was there for 10 years.
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:47 am to Stonehog
Chad's eyes are way too close together for me to trust him.
Don't really care about all the other red flags, his name and eye spacing alone are enough for me to not give him a fair chance.
Don't really care about all the other red flags, his name and eye spacing alone are enough for me to not give him a fair chance.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:57 am to oklahogjr
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more like dickriderhog
Damn man, you got me. Nice play on words.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:13 am to Drewbie
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You're comparing a coach with 25 years under his belt to a coach with 4
YOU did that. You brought up Pinkel in the first place.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:17 am to Stonehog
What was Chad's high school record? They don't have it on Wikipedia.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:20 am to STLhog
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In 16 seasons overall at the high school ranks, he posted a 169-38 record and won three state titles in six championship game appearances.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:44 am to Stonehog
quote:Absolutely not. You're the one willing to pass judgement on a coach based on his first 4 years at two rebuilding jobs. Take a look at Pinkel's first four at a conference champion and tell me what he showed in those first four years that made him a good coach?
Irrelevant question.
quote:And for his first 6 years at Missouri he was Bert 2.0. You gonna sit there and tell me you would have supported Pinkel through 6 years, only 3 of them being winning seasons, with a skip and a smile telling everyone, "Don't worry, he's a good coach."? I know better. You would have been on here bitching after the 2nd losing season, if not sooner. It's completely hypocritical how you approach Pinkel's career versus how you approach Morris'.
Mizzou didn't hire Pinkel after three years at Toledo. He was there for 10 years.
Maybe it takes time to win no matter who you are and flipping out over Year 1 here 4 years into a man's HC career is completely asinine.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 10:13 am
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:45 am to Stonehog
quote:I brought up Missouri's recruiting classes. YOU brought up Pinkel by throwing your "Pinkel > Chad" generalization when you couldn't whine about recruiting classes anymore. I never compared the two coaches until you did. In fact, even after you brought Pinkel up, my first comparison was to Bert, not even Chad.
You brought up Pinkel in the first place.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 9:51 am
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:09 am to Drewbie
quote:Here is the problem with that logic. Pinkel was at a G5 program - albeit a good one - and wasn't competing against the wood chipper known as the SEC West. You have a little more leeway to build your resume at places like Toledo. Morris would get the same leeway if he had stayed at SMU and built them to where they were winning 9,10,11 games and division/conference titles.
Take a look at Pinkel's first four at a conference champion and tell me what he showed in those first four years that made him a good coach?
Bielema got leeway here due to his inflated Wisconsin resume. Nobody cared about Petrino's past or first season here (5 wins) due to his success at Louisville. If you have a resume you are going to get the benefit of the doubt. It's the whole "hey it worked at (insert school) - it'll work here" reasoning. Without that people lose hope. They have nothing to point to for optimism during the bad seasons. Morris has recruited well - all things considered - but our recruiting classes typically fall in the same range of 20-30.
With all that being said, I hope Morris is successful. I'm not blowing my money hoping or even expecting us to lose games. I want to win and as always I'm growing optimistic as the season nears. I can see why some fans aren't. I also understand why some fans are so cranky. There seems to be a weird resignation that it's fine for us to go 0-8 in the SEC again. I'm sorry, you deserve to be shitcanned if you start off 0-16 in the SEC. Even Bielema found a way to win two SEC games in his 2nd season.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 10:19 am
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:22 am to hilltophog
quote:That's not the point of the question. The point is how passing judgement on a coach with the sample size of Morris' is stupid. Posing the question asking us to do the same for Pinkel is the example to how stupid that is. Yes, Pinkel was a good coach, but it took him a LOT of time to win consistently. Calling him good while simultaneously wanting to shitcan your coach without even letting him play with a single full recruiting class of his own kids despite the fact that no matter where he's been either as an OC or a HC his team's win total has improved upon the year prior (Something that couldn't be said for Pinkel) is conflicting logic.
Here is the problem with that logic. Pinkel was at a G5 program - albeit a good one - and wasn't competing against the wood chipper known as the SEC West.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:34 am to Drewbie
quote:Comparing coaches is dumb anyways. Every situation is different. I'm just explaining why the leash is short with Morris with some fans. I'm critical of Morris but as long as he goes 5-7 I'll be content. Win your horrible noncon slate and find a way to beat one SEC team - hopefully Ole Miss.
Posing the question asking us to do the same for Pinkel is the example to how stupid that is.
Morris goes 0fer in the SEC and it will get ugly.
You know how there are certain benchmarks for bonuses and contract extensions? There should be certain benchmarks for being fired. Go 0fer in the SEC = fired. Get blown out by Western Kentucky (especially if Storey lights us up) = fired. Get beat by Portland State = Jack Crowed.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:42 am to rockiee
How does that compare to Gus?
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:48 am to hilltophog
I'll add that some fans are finding irony in the fact that Morris is getting the same excuses from fans that Bielema got. It seems like some fans don't care about going 2-10 they just are glad it's their pick for coach doing it.
some examples -
-empty cupboard
-difficult to switch to a new offense
-recruiting is the best it's ever been!
-he deserves a medal recruiting so well after that bad season!!
-our strength coach is the bestest of all times
Then you add the fact that everyone hated the freaks come out end of summer vids but now people are hyping up "the big weigh in" videos like it's something amazing. Seriously.... it's more impressive to see someone step on a scale than squat 600 lbs???
Also....you've got to love the Jim Chaney excuse of the playbook is so complex. only .3 % of the playbook has been installed b/c it's so difficult
dumb it down then idiot! it doesn't take rocket science to avoid this from happening:
some examples -
-empty cupboard
-difficult to switch to a new offense
-recruiting is the best it's ever been!
-he deserves a medal recruiting so well after that bad season!!
-our strength coach is the bestest of all times
Then you add the fact that everyone hated the freaks come out end of summer vids but now people are hyping up "the big weigh in" videos like it's something amazing. Seriously.... it's more impressive to see someone step on a scale than squat 600 lbs???
Also....you've got to love the Jim Chaney excuse of the playbook is so complex. only .3 % of the playbook has been installed b/c it's so difficult
dumb it down then idiot! it doesn't take rocket science to avoid this from happening:
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:10 am to hilltophog
quote:100% agree. You can't go 0-16.
Morris goes 0fer in the SEC and it will get ugly.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:11 am to hilltophog
quote:All things SEC coaches eluded to when asked about this team. They'd probably know.
-empty cupboard
-difficult to switch to a new offense
-recruiting is the best it's ever been!
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:13 am to hilltophog
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I'll add that some fans are finding irony in the fact that Morris is getting the same excuses from fans that Bielema got. It seems like some fans don't care about going 2-10 they just are glad it's their pick for coach doing it.
some examples -
-empty cupboard
-difficult to switch to a new offense
-recruiting is the best it's ever been!
-he deserves a medal recruiting so well after that bad season!!
-our strength coach is the bestest of all times
Then you add the fact that everyone hated the freaks come out end of summer vids but now people are hyping up "the big weigh in" videos like it's something amazing. Seriously.... it's more impressive to see someone step on a scale than squat 600 lbs???
Also....you've got to love the Jim Chaney excuse of the playbook is so complex. only .3 % of the playbook has been installed b/c it's so difficult
dumb it down then idiot! it doesn't take rocket science to avoid this from happening:
Dude, we got the exact same excuses after Petrino's first year. Scott Frost got it this year. Saban got them after his first year. It's called being a fan. Every coach should get a little leeway for their first year with a new program. Sometimes it turns out well in the end and the excuses were justified. Sometimes it doesn't turn out well and the excuses are just excuses.
On the flip side of things, there seem to be plenty of fans (not referring to you) that are happy to watch the Hogs go 2-10 because they're butthurt that they didn't get the coach they want. So this isn't some mentality that is exclusive to sunshine pumpers.
I was cautiously optimistic going into last year. I'm cautiously pessimistic going into this year. If we can't make it to at least 5 wins, then I'll probably be full anti-Morris. But until we see this team on the field, we're just regurgitating the same exhausted points that we have been throwing out for the last 8 months.
Thank God football is almost here and we can move forward, one way or another.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 11:17 am
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:20 am to Drewbie
quote:Yep. But some coaches said the same things in Bielema's first seasons. I remember Spurrier saying that Bielema needed time in the post game interview after they curb-stomped us on homecoming in 2013.
All things SEC coaches eluded to when asked about this team. They'd probably know.
Here is a quote prior to 2014 -
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“Keep in mind, Bret didn’t inherit much. The recruiting transition from Petrino leaving to John L. Smith for a year was never going to be smooth. There were guys on that roster they wouldn’t have taken when he was at Wisconsin. So he needs time to get that done. But they need a boost at the skill positions, such as receiver and cornerback. They just don’t have a lot of playmaking there.”…
Coaches were noting how Petrino was a destoyer of programs prior to the 2013 season as well -
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“They are going to be terrible. What they are doing now, it’s the product of bad recruiting. They have a long way to go. That’s nothing against the new coach (Bret Bielema). But they are going to be terrible in Year 1." ...
"They are really going to struggle. What happened was they had eight starters who got injured, and they were fighting an uphill battle all of last year. I think they’ll struggle up front, they’ll struggle in the secondary, the linebackers should be average." …
"They are going to be slim in a lot of spots. It’s going to take them three years to get a good foundation. It’s a product of bad recruiting — which is typical of a Bobby Petrino school. It’s the same thing that happened at Louisville that got Steve Kragthorpe fired. Petrino didn’t leave him any players. It’s the same thing at Arkansas. They have no players on defense. Petrino would load up on offense and leave the cupboard bare. That’s why he can’t ever get over the hump." …
Side note - it's funny how that an anonymous coach is a-ok (when it's probably just a sports writer) but an anonymous former player is chicken crap.
I'm just ready to get this season rolling. Beat the f#!@ out of Portland State and get that first SEC win in week 2.
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:51 am to hilltophog
I don’t think anyone is okay with 0-16 Idk where anyone said that. IF he does that then of course he doesn’t have an excuse but if you have any reasonable knowledge of football you would understand how unlikely that is with the upgrade at qb and more of his players and another year in the system. The issue isn’t going 0-16 it’s going 2-10 with shite talent. Some of you are bitching about a season that hasn’t even happened yet your hypothetical bitching which is just ducking stupid. The same thing would’ve happened to bert if he went back to back 3-9 but he didn’t did he? And no one even dared question him after the first season everyone just shite on Brandon. But again we have a fan base with the memory of a gnat and an iq lower than Forrest Gump so I guess we just forgot that /rant over
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:59 am to hilltophog
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It seems like some fans don't care about going 2-10 they just are glad it's their pick for coach doing it.
This really seems like revisionist history. Many posters had Chad like 3rd-5th on their list when the coaching search started. It really doesn't have much do with who the actual coach is but that people would rather be hopeful. You can point out the positives and understand the context without being a sunshine pumper as well.
There are more posters here that make fun of Chad for being an "aggy" than posters here who actually praise him.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 8/7/19 at 3:24 pm to Drewbie
Here were the comments from last year in case you were wondering...
"I feel really badly for Chad (Morris), who has been put in a difficult situation. That roster was built for (Bret) Bielema’s run-first, play-action offense. Chad will spend at least the first two years turning over that roster to fit his scheme.
"One thing Chad will benefit from is the way Bret ran a clean program. There won’t be character problems in that locker room. As a new coach, that’s a huge relief. Those guys may not be the perfect fit for what Chad wants to do, but they’ll bust their arse for him. There won’t be push back, at least at the level most of us deal with when you arrive as the new guy on the block. Look, new guys are there because the other guy failed. The other guy usually failed because he lost the team. Bret never lost that team."
"I just can’t see 270-pound Cole Kelley running Chad’s offense. My guess is Chad gets him to drop 20-30 pounds. He has a strong arm, though he wasn’t exactly the most accurate guy on the field. Whoever plays quarterback is more than likely a bridge to Chad’s first big quarterback recruit next year."
"I don’t expect any change with (new defensive coordinator) John Chavis in charge. His defensive lines have always been aggressive and given a lot of leeway. Their problem has been in the back seven. They’re bad in coverage, and they haven’t had that dominating linebacker. That has to be fixed."
"The best thing Chad will do for Arkansas — and I think he’s a terrific Xs and Os guy -- is recruit. He got a lot of those key guys, including Deshaun Watson, that turned things around at Clemson. He has to do that at Arkansas. Bret couldn’t recruit Texas the way Chad can."
I remember thinking to myself after reading those statements that they were completely wrong. I was definitely drinking the koolaid. Well don't I feel stupid. Scary how accurate some of those were.
"I feel really badly for Chad (Morris), who has been put in a difficult situation. That roster was built for (Bret) Bielema’s run-first, play-action offense. Chad will spend at least the first two years turning over that roster to fit his scheme.
"One thing Chad will benefit from is the way Bret ran a clean program. There won’t be character problems in that locker room. As a new coach, that’s a huge relief. Those guys may not be the perfect fit for what Chad wants to do, but they’ll bust their arse for him. There won’t be push back, at least at the level most of us deal with when you arrive as the new guy on the block. Look, new guys are there because the other guy failed. The other guy usually failed because he lost the team. Bret never lost that team."
"I just can’t see 270-pound Cole Kelley running Chad’s offense. My guess is Chad gets him to drop 20-30 pounds. He has a strong arm, though he wasn’t exactly the most accurate guy on the field. Whoever plays quarterback is more than likely a bridge to Chad’s first big quarterback recruit next year."
"I don’t expect any change with (new defensive coordinator) John Chavis in charge. His defensive lines have always been aggressive and given a lot of leeway. Their problem has been in the back seven. They’re bad in coverage, and they haven’t had that dominating linebacker. That has to be fixed."
"The best thing Chad will do for Arkansas — and I think he’s a terrific Xs and Os guy -- is recruit. He got a lot of those key guys, including Deshaun Watson, that turned things around at Clemson. He has to do that at Arkansas. Bret couldn’t recruit Texas the way Chad can."
I remember thinking to myself after reading those statements that they were completely wrong. I was definitely drinking the koolaid. Well don't I feel stupid. Scary how accurate some of those were.
This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 3:27 pm
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