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We do have people that are saying we aren't going to get out of the SEC cellar with top 30 classes and a coach with one winning season in his career.
Tell that to Missouri who came in and won the East with recruiting classes in the 40's.

Your hard-on with recruiting class rankings being the end all, be all is misguided.

But it's ok. The rest of us will enjoy watching Chad build this new culture and foundation for the future with recruiting classes that rival those that the most successful coach at Arkansas in modern history brought in and you can stay mad that he isn't recruiting at a level that literally no coach in the history of the school has ever been able to recruit at here in one year. Either way Chad's the coach for the foreseeable future.

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This is the class Missouri brought in the offseason before they won their 2nd straight SEC East title. Literally dead last in the conference. The juniors on that team were from a class rated 56th in the nation, last in the Big 12.
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Pinkel was a good coach though, and the East was terrible when Mizzou joined.
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Bret's 5 years at Arkansas.


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Pinkel's first 5 years at Missouri.

Guess we shouldn't have fired Bert if that's good.


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and the East was terrible when Mizzou joined.
Yet literally everyone in the conference was recruiting better than Mizzou and they were still winning. Doesn't really add up with your logic.


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Pinkel was there for like 15 years, why would you use his first five to try and make a point?

Are you capable of arguing in good faith?


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why would you use his first five to try and make a point?
You're passing judgement on a coach based on two years at a program that was 1-11 when he got there and one year at our dumpster fire but an even 5 year sample size of two coaches isn't enough?

You're something.


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Doesn't really add up with your logic.


Pinkel > Chad

That was easy.


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Pinkel > Chad
Chad's been a head coach for 3 years. Here's what Pinkel's looked like:


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Stellar.
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You're passing judgement on a coach based on two years at a program that was 1-11 when he got there and one year at our dumpster fire but an even 5 year sample size of two coaches isn't enough?


Not sure what you mean. The two five year spans you posted are way better than anything Chad has done.


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The two five year spans you posted are way better than anything Chad has done.
And dead even with what Bert got fired for here and you're calling him good.


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Chad's been a head coach for 3 years.


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Stonehog
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Here's what Pinkel's looked like:


Again, much better than Chad. Not sure what point you think you're making.


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Again, much better than Chad. Not sure what point you think you're making.
Toledo went 7-1 and won their conference the year before they hired Pinkel. In year 3 they were 4-7. SMU went 1-11 the year prior to Chad and by year 3 under him they were in a bowl.

You ignore context for the purpose of your arguments and it just makes you look stupid.
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And dead even with what Bert got fired for here and you're calling him good.


Listen to yourself. You obviously went to Wikipedia to look up Pinkel's record. Look at the rest of it. You're seriously arguing that he's not a good coach?


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You're seriously arguing that he's not a good coach?
You're seriously going to sit there and say you'd be on this board saying we hired a good coach if we hired Pinkel after year 3 of Toledo? That's exactly the point in his career that he would have been in to mirror Chad's situation. Yet Pinkel's good because he had a couple of good seasons 15 years later, but we aren't going to let Chad have those years because?


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Toledo went 7-1 and won their conference the year before they hired Pinkel. In year 3 they were 4-7.


In year 2 they were 8-3!

What the frick are you even talking about at this point?


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You're seriously going to sit there and say you'd be on this board saying we hired a good coach if we hired Pinkel after year 3 of Toledo?


Pinkel has never gone 2-10. Chad has done it half the years he's coached.


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In year 2 they were 8-3!
Then went 4-7 and 6-4. How can that be if he's a good coach? Toledo was clearly in a good spot when he got there, unlike SMU.

You're comparing a coach with 25 years under his belt to a coach with 4 and wondering why the coach with 4 doesn't have as much to show. A child could figure out what's wrong with this picture.


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Pinkel has never gone 2-10. Chad has done it half the years he's coached.
Pinkel also never took over a team that won a single game the year prior, either. Again, ignoring the context that that 2 win season was actually an improvement upon what he inherited as sad as it is, yet had that team bowling in 3 years. Something Pinkel wasn't doing at a much better program in year 3.


You also didn't answer the question. Would you have considered Pinkel a good coach based on his 3 year sample size?

It took Pinkel 6 whole seasons to do anything of significance at Missouri while in the garbage Big 12 North. Three of his first four seasons there ended in losing records, yet you're passing final judgement on Morris because he won 2 games in year 1 instead of the whopping 4 Pinkel won, while also recruiting better than Pinkel ever did. Completely irrational.
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