re: Will Rees be able to make the qbs we have here better?

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To me the sky is falling is when fans write off the season's goal of winning a national championship before the season even starts.

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When you say things like we will have to see it tells me you have about the same amount of confidence I do that this crew can get a team to the national championship. I had more confidence in last years team getting there than this year.

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When you say things like we will have to see it tells me you have about the same amount of confidence I do that this crew can get a team to the national championship. I had more confidence in last years team getting there than this year.

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No, when I say we will have to see, it means that I think we have a chance, but it's not a certainty. It's never a certainty, ever. Never has been. There are too many factors at play for it ever to be a certainty. On the other hand, you appear to have completely written them off for the upcoming season. I feel better about this upcoming season with the new coaches than I would have if BoB and Pete were back. I would have been really apprehensive to have BoB coaching a new QB.

Yeah... so if I say we have a 1% chance of winning the title, which category would that put me in?

There is next to no way we win a title with this team next year. The next? Very possibly. You can call that a negative take. I call it realistic

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It would be negative since the team hasn't even suited up yet!!

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Personally, I have reservations about it because he is relatively inexperienced.

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Rees has 3 seasons as OC and 6 as a QB coach.
Applewhite had 1 yr as OC.
McElwain had 5 yrs as OC at 1-AA, 1 yr at 1-A
Nussmeier had 4 yrs as OC
Kiffin had 2 yrs as OC
Daboll had 4 yrs as OC
Locksley had 8 yrs as OC
Sarkisian had 4 yrs as OC
O'Brien had 5 yrs as OC, 7 calling plays, 6 as HC.

So Rees is not much less experienced as OC than most whom Saban has hired, just younger. He has more experience than 2 and just 1 year less than 3 more. He probably has more general intelligence than all but maybe O'Brien (Brown grad in a real major), if not all, though that doesn't always translate, but it rarely hurts.

I generally think everything is gonna be ok. I have a feeling we will be pleasantly surprised.

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Yeah... so if I say we have a 1% chance of winning the title, which category would that put me in?

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It's fine to be realistic, the fact is that what we have become accustomed to over the past ten years has been very unrealistic. As long as you don't take a burn it all down attitude like some here appear to have, I think it's fine. I've never taken our games for granted, even under Saban. We're capable of losing an SEC game at any time, a few turnovers and fluke plays, and there you go. There's no need to be unrelentingly critical of our team, and totally pessimistic, though. Let the coaches and players have a chance to show what they're capable of before condemning them. It's not healthy for the program to be so negative. I have always been a somewhat pessimistic person to some degree, expect the worst, and you're never disappointed. But as I became older, I've realized that it's not very productive to be negative around people. People are seldom affected in a positive way by it, and they are naturally more attracted to, and positively influenced by optimism. I'm far from a sunshine pumper, but sometimes it's best to not dwell on things you have no control over.

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I guess most fan bases have fans who flunked basic logic like you, but it is embarrassing to have such fans.

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Awe tattoo…did I embarrass you?

Tell me oh great evaluator of logic, what exactly was I referencing as the reason why I think in hindsight it should have been obvious this team wasn’t a playoff caliber team.

So tell me again how my logic, that’s not defined anywhere, is flawed?

I don’t see how you can automatically just think these guys Saban just hired are that much better than Pete and BOB. They may be better, but I doubt they are that much better. I don’t see the needle being moved in the win/loss column. I honestly think 5 teams on the schedule have a shot at beating us next season. I would think the same exact number if BOB and Pete were returning. I don’t see scoring points increasing under Rees and I don’t see opposing teams scoring less under Steele.

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I don’t see scoring points increasing under Rees and I don’t see opposing teams scoring less under Steele.

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To me, it's not so much about the scoring on offense. We scored 41 ppg last season.

It's

-consistency in successful drives
-less 3 and outs
-more successful early down plays
-less penalties
-more disciplined blocking
-being able put a team away in the 4th Q
-not having to rely on a magician QB to pull a rabit out of his hat to get big plays through the air

As far as defense, hell, penalties, undisciplined play, and overly complicated schemes alone were probably good for at least 7 points a game last season.

These are things that were big, but relatively simple problems that can be cleaned up with better coaching. If those two can just simply do that, then we will be in much better shape than we were under BoB and Pete.

I don't know, but also don't think that ppg always tells the whole story. 41 ppg is an elite ppg avg, and how many games did we lose and almost lose last season?