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re: Who exactly is our OC?

Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:55 am to
Posted by Bear88
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 8:55 am to
So you are saying Saiyan was ran off?
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:42 am to
You keep saying we should run the ball more, but ignore the fact that Jam and Haynes have had multiple games where runs have gone nowhere because Milroe allows teams to stack the box at will

It’s a two fold issue here. The run game looks as poor as it does largely because teams don’t have to defend the passing game anywhere as much
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20020 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:43 am to
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So you are saying Saiyan was ran off?

I’m suggesting that he probably would’ve stayed had DeBoer told him he thought he could be the guy after Milroe and hadn’t brought in his own guy.

It was Mack or Sayin, it was never going to be both.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
19058 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:46 am to
The type of runs matters.

Oklahoma was open all day for quick hitters in the gaps. Whenever we ran then we had significant success.

Yet why didn't we lean into that to make them adapt and stop focusing on the edges??

When we know our QBs limitations and we're trying to win the game why are we doing dumb shite like repeatedly running QB powers outside ot even that stupid as WR screen which started out downfall??

It was simple

Quick hitters then play-action off of it to hit Cuevas or WRs when the LBs and CBs statlrt squeezing to stop it.

Instead we just ran the same shite hoping for a different result and when that didn't work we did even dumber shite that wouldn't work against him their defense was attacking us
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
5404 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:47 am to
It’s amazing that DeBooer hasn’t pulled Milroe from the line up. I was screaming at him to get benched in the Tennessee game. Don’t forget that Jalen started the Missouri game slowly, too.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4655 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:53 am to
OK, I agree with you pretty much, but a devil's advocate question: Coaches certainly should be able to adapt, but most coaches also have a basic "this is what I do." Is it fair to expect a coach to adapt so much that he goes away from "what I do?"'

Of course that begs another question, it's obvious that Milroe can't do DeBoer's stuff, so why not try Simpson? As I've said in other posts, it sure looks like for whatever reason, whether it's not seeing the forest for the trees or the conspiracy theorists are right and he's afraid half the team will walk if he pulls the trigger, he doesn't think Simpson can do it any better than Milroe and he's going to go with Milroe until the bitter end.

And that is why DeBoer's seat is getting warm. I don't think our fan base has the patience to put up with a true retooling season ... that's why I laugh at the posts saying "blow it all up and get rid of the riff-raff and eat a few 6-6's for the greater good of the program down the road ... but seeing him go to the bitter end with No. 4 makes people shake their heads.

Because it all starts with the QB and he's dragging us down. If he can't throw, the running game ain't opening up.
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 9:54 am
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20020 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:54 am to
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I was screaming at him to get benched in the Tennessee game. Don’t forget that Jalen started the Missouri game slowly, too.

Milroe has played one half of football this year against a team with a high end front 7 at a functional level.

That 1H against UGA was the best half of football any QB has played all year. That’s his upside. I thought that’s what he had grown into after his strong finish last year and an offseason with an elite offensive staff.

But 2H UGA, TN, USCe, 50% of Missouri and OU have proven it’s just a question of whether a team has the talent to take away the QB run. That’s it. If he can’t run Bama can’t win because everything he does now is built off of that.
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 10:12 am
Posted by bamatide07
Member since Jan 2019
5404 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 9:57 am to
Alabama has been reduced to running the veer offense because of his limitations. No one in their right mind has any right to take up for him at this point. I’ve never watched a more frustrating player in my life. Blake Sims had his limitations as well. But he made improvements during the 2014 season. Milroe is the same, if not worse, than the player who started against A&M two years ago.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4655 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 10:05 am to
This … there has been no true or sustainable progress.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20020 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 10:11 am to
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Of course that begs another question, it's obvious that Milroe can't do DeBoer's stuff, so why not try Simpson? As I've said in other posts, it sure looks like for whatever reason, whether it's not seeing the forest for the trees or the conspiracy theorists are right and he's afraid half the team will walk if he pulls the trigger,

Why didn’t he bench Malachi after he disrespected the coaching staff and lost his mind against Vandy? He didn’t miss a snap.

I don’t think it’s safe to assume DeBoer has control of the locker room at this point and I’m not at all convinced Saban fully did last year after what happened at USF either.

I don’t pretend for a minute to know all of the realities of the situation but there is at a minimum a leadership problem with this team. When your TE comes out talking about players showing up late for meetings or skipping workouts I’m not sure what else you need to hear to believe there’s a major problem.

Malachi convinced me of the leadership issues on defense at Vandy and Milroe proved it against OU with his cop out on the pick 6 and the abject fear on his face when they’d do a close up. It was the same look he had on the road at Tennessee.

Whether its a business, a team or the military no one is going to follow a leader who loses their cool, panics or quits in the face of adversity.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20020 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 10:15 am to
quote:

Oklahoma was open all day for quick hitters in the gaps. Whenever we ran then we had significant success. Yet why didn't we lean into that to make them adapt and stop focusing on the edges??

quote:

we know our QBs limitations

Dude can’t even read a screen play or handle an RPO and you want him throwing quick slants against a Brett Venables defense? Good luck with that.

What you get right now when you ask Milroe to make quick decisions is what you saw in the 3Q against OU. He’s a headcase who probably needs a QB coach and a sports psychologist.
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4655 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 10:16 am to
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I don’t think it’s safe to assume DeBoer has control of the locker room at this point and I’m not at all convinced Saban fully did last year after what happened at USF either.


Agree on both points.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
24374 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 10:29 am to
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Alabama has been reduced to running the veer offense because of his limitations

And the problem is we can’t even run that properly because Milroe can’t even read a defense well on option plays

quote:

Sims had his limitations as well. But he made improvements during the 2014 season.
And the Sims had the excuse of not being a QB his whole career. He was also not as physically gifted. Milroe looks like Tarzan plays like Jane with how much he likes to avoid contact
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4655 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 11:05 am to
I loved what Coach P said on his YouTube breakdown, something along the lines of Milroe was playing against Oklahoma like someone making business decisions.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
7440 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 11:48 am to
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Sheridan is totally in over his head. DeBoer is, too, in my opinion.


Let’s reserve judgement to what they can do with a different QB.
Posted by TS1926
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
7440 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 11:49 am to
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Sheridan is totally in over his head. DeBoer is, too, in my opinion.


Doesn’t work anymore. These are paid “pro” players.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
8623 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 3:29 pm to
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Oklahoma was open all day for quick hitters in the gaps. Whenever we ran then we had significant success.


Everything except WR screens and QB keepers would've worked vs OU.

How about a fricking draw to the RB?
How about that stick route to the RB in the wide open middle of the field?
How about a post route? A dig?
Anything to the middle of the field that OU abandoned all game.
Posted by First Sergeant1
Enterprise, Alabama
Member since Dec 2018
878 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 6:03 pm to
We have an offensive coordinator? Please tell…
Posted by bamabonners
Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
4723 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 6:18 pm to
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OL: talented but bad fit. He wants speedy guys who can pull. We’d spent two years getting the biggest group of maulers in the country, but they’re too slow to block how he wants and half of them are injured to the point of probably needing to sit.


We've seen in the past and in bowl games how these little quick linemen get waxed by the sec lines. Why do we want that here?

I still think the OC is just a big part of the problem at milroe... And why hasn't another QB been tried??!
This post was edited on 11/29/24 at 6:31 pm
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4655 posts
Posted on 11/29/24 at 6:27 pm to
Could it be because that’s what his offense requires?
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