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What is the new Alabama offense going to look like?

Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:21 am
Posted by Tw1st3d
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 1:21 am
What is the new Alabama offense going to look like? What will the RB's be required to do? WIll the WR's be ready to run option routes? What kind of reads will the QB be required to make? WHat will the system require the Oline to do?

I don't realy know much about who this guy is but he did a great job of breaking down the complexity of the DeBoer/Grubb system.

Good FIlm Study of What is Coming
Posted by TizzyT4theUofA
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 6:31 am to
Thank you for sharing.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 8:04 am to
Great break down. Thanks for sharing.

I'm just some guy that doesn't know much at all about X's and O's. But every time I watch one of these videos about Deboer's offense by people that do know X's and O's, I'm impressed. And, every time I watch one, I'm left thinking Deboer definitely knew what he was doing when he brought Mack in. I'm not saying he's going to start, but the guys already on the roster have a LOT of learning to do. It's great to have Mack there as a safety net that Deboer knows is capable and has a year of learning the system under his belt.
Posted by Tupelo
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 8:43 am to
Thanks for the video.

Coach DeBoer is supposed to be good at tweaking his offense to take advantage of his personnel, so it'll be interesting to see what he comes up with. He has more talent here to work with than he's been accustomed to, but not necessarily the type he's usually had to work with in the past. I'm hopeful his offensive schemes make it easier for our OL and RBs by keeping defenses on their heels.
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:01 am to
The Athletic put out a good article recently. We had 2 TEs on 40% of plays last year. Washington just 20%. Since TE probably isnt going to be an overwhelming strength next year, that’ll be a change we see

Per that same article, they also went under center much more than we did. No idea which QB has the most experience with that

They ran QB power a fair amount on short yardage. I’d argue that Penix, while a decent athlete, is a step below Simpson and several below Milroe
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 9:04 am
Posted by WeTheTide
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:16 am to
Like this

Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:40 am to
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several below Milroe


Penix is a decent athlete, but he and Milroe might as well be from different planets in that aspect.

I hope the coaches can help Milroe develop the touch on his passes that Penix has, though.
Posted by East Coast Band
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:55 am to
Like this, according to all the Sky is falling little chickens around here.
Posted by mre
Birmingham
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:02 am to
I came into this thread to post that video in response to your title.
Posted by PowHound
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:13 am to
Ha, I watched this last night.

Right about the time he starts to explain how often DeBoer runs out of bunch formations, and the QB and WR needing to read the point, inside leverage, outside leverage, and topside defensive leverage, and then make the appropriate throw based on reading the coverage accurately pre/post snap,... I immediately began to SMH.

Speaking about identifying where the single coverage would be on a 3rd and long, and then execute an accurate throw to the boundary, he says, "does Bama have a QB that can do this?" "probably not" (I'm assuming no trust to throw into tight spaces based on our film study)

I know Mack is a young guy, but I simply can't see how the guy going into the second year of this system, and his ability to throw to all levels doesn't make him the favorite to win the position. Then there's the fact he's built like Cam Newton or Trevor Lawrence... anybody ?

ADay might be one of the most interesting games of the year.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 11:15 am
Posted by Sauron
Birmingham
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:31 am to
Fantastic video and breakdown.

I don't think our tackles will be athletic enough to run all the concepts Washington did last year. However, both our primary backs excel at getting outside, which seems to be a staple of the offense DeBoer / Grubb like to use. It'll be interesting to see how they adapt to the personnel we have.

If Milroe is able to speed up his decision-making process and read the field appropriately, he would absolutely dominate in this offense. I think with his running ability we could get at least 4-5 yards whenever we wanted just by using motion and misdirection to open up an off-tackle run for him.

However, I have no confidence at the moment he can do this, nor do I think he'll be able to consistently complete intermediate throws over the middle. I hope I'm wrong; if he does those things well, we will score consistently on anybody.

As of right now, though, I think somebody else will win the QB1 role, based solely on the complexity of the offense.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:47 am to
Alabama could be a run heavy team in the first season of DeBoer. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by everything I’ve seen about their run scheme in this video and several others. It reminds me of the versatility Jim McElwain brought in his play calling early in the Saban era.

Inside and outside zone base with counters as a change up against teams playing too aggressively up front is a very Shanahan NFL run game approach. The real question is whether we have the OL to run this scheme to its full potential. I think we do but it is going to involve an offseason commitment to losing bad weight and improving conditioning.

I think this team will pass more effectively than 2023 but pass less overall. We have a really strong IOL trio now with Washington’s all-conference center transferring in. Tackle is what needs to be figured out. Frankly, Proctor was a bad fit at OT in this scheme and would probably need to go guard to be effective yet guard is a point of strength in 2024.
Posted by PowHound
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:48 am to
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I think with his running ability we could get at least 4-5 yards whenever we wanted just by using motion and misdirection to open up an off-tackle run for him.


It was there for the taking last season.

I simply couldn't understand why we refused to take it.

Then interview after interview Milroe states "I'm a pocket passer" "I don't practice running" - rose bowl "I came here to throw the ball."

Claims to be a pocket passer, but inadvertently drifts out of the pocket directly into harms way all season for 15yd loss sacks ! It's laughable.

Posted by PowHound
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:55 am to
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I think we do but it is going to involve an offseason commitment to losing bad weight and improving conditioning.


First film session the entire OL looked around and knew the next 6 months of strict dieting was going to SUUUUUUCK. Nobody even had to tell them to lose 30 pounds the film did all the talking lol

Yeah, Proctor is gone, but not a big loss because he is definitely a guard, and we got that covered.

In fact both our tackles last season are guards. Whoever replaces them will be at least as effective especially with a competent coach making personnel decisions.

Posted by BigFolks6347
Alabama
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:55 am to
Just shows you that a few of us were not far off with our assessment of Tommy Rees’ offense. We literally ran a big ten offense with two tight ends. That’s the reason we didn’t score much this year. People can make up lies that milroe cant read quick passing concepts but that’s a lie. We rarely ran slants and when we did milroe nailed them.
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
1771 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:19 pm to
It's probably a three way battle between Simpson-Lonergan-Mack I would guess

Milroe has the arm to make these throws but he's so far behind on the actual processing for it that I don't think it happens without a a significantly dumbed down offense like last year. I don't see DeBoer running a Gus Malzahn offense with the QB room we have, especially year one where he has to be successful
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18163 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:22 pm to
Very excited.

That said, it will be a significant culture shift to see Bama running an offensive scheme that looks the equivalent or exceeds the complexity of the most experienced Saban defenses.

The OL better do some cardio, and all of the O better have their noses in the playbook daily between now and fall camp.
Posted by PowHound
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Posted on 1/26/24 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

It's probably a three way battle between Simpson-Lonergan-Mack I would guess


bUt MuH hEisMaN oDds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by DeBoersTheMan
Member since Jan 2024
483 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 7:20 pm to
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this video and several others.


Would love to see more videos like this one if you've got em. I need to gump.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/29/24 at 6:28 pm to
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The Athletic put out a good article recently. We had 2 TEs on 40% of plays last year. Washington just 20%. Since TE probably isnt going to be an overwhelming strength next year, that’ll be a change we see

I’d argue we could have more receptions at TE despite only using one instead of two because of the number of passing plays we’re likely to run.

DeBoer wants to run a hybrid air raid system, how close we get to that depends on our QBs ability to process his reads and deliver downfield.

Our IOL and RB group should be as good as we’ve had since 2020, we need to block on the edges to give the deep route trees he runs time to develop, find a QB who can run the system and hope some WRs emerge who can challenge the safeties to spread the field for the run game and intermediate passing game we haven’t seen since BY got hurt against Arkansas in 2022.

He and Grubb were merciless in stretching teams vertically with his three WRs and horizontally with eye candy motion before the snap. Once the field was spread Penix could sit back and slash defenses with his arm along with a run game that was surprisingly effective for a team viewed as a pass first unit.
This post was edited on 1/29/24 at 7:12 pm
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