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re: University of Alabama system to review all building names, remove Confederate Army plaques
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:39 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:39 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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The Wall Street Journal
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HBO Max removed "Gone With the Wind" from its platform amid growing concerns about racial injustice in the wake of the killing of George Floyd (corrects typo)
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:43 pm to LovetheLord
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The removing of statues and monuments is precisely being done to cover up history.
What history are they covering up by removing them? Absent the context of why they were put there, I’d argue their presence covers up history.
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A notation in a book, but nobody can visit or know where Gettysburg is located?
Oh FFS, the issue is monuments built on city and state property to venerate Confederate figures, the large majority erected during Reconstruction. There’s not a single legitimate voice arguing to close Gettysburg, Shiloh, Antietam, or any other Civil War site of historical significance.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:44 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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The Wall Street Journal
@WSJ
HBO Max removed "Gone With the Wind" from its platform amid growing concerns about racial injustice in the wake of the killing of George Floyd
Now this stuff is PC overkill. And I'm Black and in favor of CSA monuments being removed from taxpayer funded facilities.
Going overboard does not help
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:48 pm to CrimsonBoz
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I’m guessing this is for his treatment of the Taino people? I’m sure that area is overwhelmed with their relatives right?
They want and are actively trying to tear down the whole country. Folks in this thread think it is just about civil war era monuments plaques and statues but they are coming after it all. There will be no appeasement.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:51 pm to LovetheLord
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The Civil War still happened, those men still fought in it and they were still gallant soldiers. What ways are going to be acceptable to you for documenting history? A notation in a book, but nobody can visit or know where Gettysburg is located?
This hyperbolic notion that removing the monuments from taxpayer funded grounds is not going to help a compromise. They absolutely should be moved to a more appropriate location for learning (museums, graveyards, historical sites, etc).
What about this is not understood?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:56 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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They want and are actively trying to tear down the whole country. Folks in this thread think it is just about civil war era monuments plaques and statues but they are coming after it all. There will be no appeasement.
Probably a good idea to lay off social media for a while buddy.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 10:01 pm to stomp
He's correct.
ETA: It's hilarious that you just pointed out that HBO is removing Gone With The Wind, but still think what you quoted is wrong.
ETA: It's hilarious that you just pointed out that HBO is removing Gone With The Wind, but still think what you quoted is wrong.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 6/9/20 at 10:05 pm to stomp
The alligator still eats you in the end
Posted on 6/9/20 at 10:06 pm to stomp
Civil war plaques and statues aren't needed to document or teach history. And there's really nothing about that terrible war that's worth commemorating. Recycle them into something that promotes good core values such as Ten Commandments plaques & pedestals.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 8:15 am
Posted on 6/10/20 at 6:28 am to stomp
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This hyperbolic notion that removing the monuments from taxpayer funded grounds is not going to help a compromise.
Well...would it? I honestly have my doubts about that, which as I've said previously in this thread is one of my big concerns about jumping onto that side of the issue. I think some people on that side would be satisfied by a simple removal of all the Confederate memorials from inappropriate public areas like parks, government buildings, etc., but I think a lot of the people who want that to happen also want to see the removal of all historical memorial or recognition of anyone who, during his or her lifetime, did not meet the strict moral standards of today. And that part is what I am very uncomfortable with.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 7:37 am to Robot Santa
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t the strict moral standards of today
LoL. That's an oxymoron. There are no morals today. Not even close to any.
I don't care anything about statues, etc for any cause for they stray from what idols you and me should have, and that's your family and your best close friends.
It is when that occurs all of society will benefit.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:29 am to Bobby OG Johnson
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They want and are actively trying to tear down the whole country. Folks in this thread think it is just about civil war era monuments plaques and statues but they are coming after it all. There will be no appeasement
The good ole Slippery Slope Fallacy.
"If they tear down the monuments that we put up, celebrating a bunch of racist traitors who literally killed Americans over the legal right to *own another human being*, they'll tear the whole country down!".
An emotional response with nothing supporting it.
I'm sad that I didn't see this thread earlier, but even more saddened by the content. It's embarrassing. Just because your great-great-great-great grandpappy fought for what he thought was right does not make him a hero. ISIS didn't think they were they bad guys either.
frick the confederacy. They were traitors, and them being manipulated by rich people to kill Americans so that the rich people could maintain their cheap labor force does not make them victims.
When the Union came to Tuscaloosa, the school was literally an enemy military establishment. Burning it to the ground was completely appropriate. frick the assholes who defended it. They do not deserve recognition.
Furthermore, if you don't see how celebrating the confederacy is going to be more and more of a challenge for admissions and our athletic recruiters, then you're fricking blind. Not only is it immoral, it's bad business.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:35 am to TidalSurge1
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Recycle them into something that promotes good core values such as Ten Commandments plaques & pedestals.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:36 am to Fells
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When the Union came to Tuscaloosa, the school was literally an enemy military establishment. Burning it to the ground was completely appropriate. frick the assholes who defended it. They do not deserve recognition.
Why don't you take a break from posting on this subject?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:41 am to Fells
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:56 am to pvilleguru
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:29 am to Fells
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They were traitors, and them being manipulated by rich people to kill Americans so that the rich people could maintain their cheap labor force does not make them victims.
Sure it does. Especially the countless child soldiers who were involved in the Civil War. Most wars throughout history have been fought by the young, poor, and impressionable who were either manipulated by propaganda, if not outright compelled, to fight in it on behalf of the rich and powerful. Would you say some 13 year old boy in the Hitler Youth was the same as a sadistic monster like Himmler? Of course not. No reasonable person would make that comparison even though both were Nazis. There are fanatics involved in every war, but the bulk of the people fighting are young men who have no real choice in the matter. Lumping them all in together is ridiculous.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 10:59 am to Robot Santa
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Sure it does. Especially the countless child soldiers who were involved in the Civil War. Most wars throughout history have been fought by the young, poor, and impressionable who were either manipulated by propaganda, if not outright compelled, to fight in it on behalf of the rich and powerful. Would you say some 13 year old boy in the Hitler Youth was the same as a sadistic monster like Himmler? Of course not. No reasonable person would make that comparison even though both were Nazis. There are fanatics involved in every war, but the bulk of the people fighting are young men who have no real choice in the matter. Lumping them all in together is ridiculous.
What about the poor uneducated white or black who was drafted to serve in Vietnam, another amoral war, while the children of privledge (looking at you Trump) got deferments?
The poor always do the fighting and dying in a rich man's war they had nothing to do with...Confederacy was no different.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 11:03 am
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:30 am to Fells
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An emotional response with nothing supporting it.
What was it you were saying?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:47 am to Fells
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They were traitors, and them being manipulated by rich people to kill Americans so that the rich people could maintain their cheap labor force does not make them victims.
Ignorance is why we are where we are today.
Many did not have a choice especially in the south. You did not join up you were conscripted into service. My 3rd GGF from East TN fought for the north. His unit was captured by Wheeler in McMinnville TN. They were released to return home. On the way home him and his cousin were conscripted by the another confederate unit and were sent to New Orleans to fight for the south. During the siege they escaped and rejoined the Union army in Kentucky. His unit was later captured and he died in Libby prison in Richmond VA.
It is estimated that up to 20% of those who fought for the south were forced via the draft/conscription into service.Not to mention the majority did not join to join the confederacy but joined that state unit/militias to protect their states. Why so many fought under their state flag not the actual confederate flag which is another misconception.
Another note for those unaware East TN tried to leave TN and join the Union but was unsuccessful. Slavery was not supported in the area that was made up mostly of German, Scotch, and Irish families. Everyone in my family with the exception of one fought for the north during the war. Andrew Johnson is from there as well.
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