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Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:19 am to LovetheLord
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:19 am to LovetheLord
I bow out haha. Hopefully we will enjoy a great season from the Tide!
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:22 am to bamabenny
I just asked Google about Deboer’s offensive philosophy and this is what it said (apparently I don’t need to write essays anymore about something Google already knew). That does kind of bum me out though
“Kalen DeBoer's offense is historically designed to attack deep downfield far more than most teams in college football.However, the frequency and success of his deep shots depend heavily on his quarterback's strengths.The Peak DeBoer Era (Washington)DeBoer's system gained its reputation for elite vertical passing during his time at Washington with quarterback Michael Penix Jr.Volume: Penix led the entire nation in passing attempts and deep ball volume.Production: Penix led the country in completions traveling 20+ air yards, racking up nearly 1,800 yards on deep shots alone in a single season. These are similar numbers to his previous stops specifically Fresno State.”
The System Adaptation (Alabama)When DeBoer moved his offense to Alabama, the philosophy adjusted drastically based on who was under center.The Intent: DeBoer builds "shot options" or vertical alerts into almost all of his base passing plays.The Reality: The system had to pivot to a heavy "dink and dunk" short game due to the quarterback struggles with deep-ball placement. For example, during parts of the 2025 season with quarterback Ty Simpson, Alabama's offense focused much more on a highly efficient short-to-intermediate game when deep accuracy lagged behind (at one point starting just 2-of-15 on throws of 31+ yards).Ultimately, DeBoer's playbook is built to throw deep significantly more than the average football team, but he will deliberately scale back the aggression to prioritize completion percentage if his quarterback is ineffective at throwing deeper passes.”
Sorry last post!
“Kalen DeBoer's offense is historically designed to attack deep downfield far more than most teams in college football.However, the frequency and success of his deep shots depend heavily on his quarterback's strengths.The Peak DeBoer Era (Washington)DeBoer's system gained its reputation for elite vertical passing during his time at Washington with quarterback Michael Penix Jr.Volume: Penix led the entire nation in passing attempts and deep ball volume.Production: Penix led the country in completions traveling 20+ air yards, racking up nearly 1,800 yards on deep shots alone in a single season. These are similar numbers to his previous stops specifically Fresno State.”
The System Adaptation (Alabama)When DeBoer moved his offense to Alabama, the philosophy adjusted drastically based on who was under center.The Intent: DeBoer builds "shot options" or vertical alerts into almost all of his base passing plays.The Reality: The system had to pivot to a heavy "dink and dunk" short game due to the quarterback struggles with deep-ball placement. For example, during parts of the 2025 season with quarterback Ty Simpson, Alabama's offense focused much more on a highly efficient short-to-intermediate game when deep accuracy lagged behind (at one point starting just 2-of-15 on throws of 31+ yards).Ultimately, DeBoer's playbook is built to throw deep significantly more than the average football team, but he will deliberately scale back the aggression to prioritize completion percentage if his quarterback is ineffective at throwing deeper passes.”
Sorry last post!
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 11:51 am
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:33 am to Cover1Key
True. But, Kiffin would have schemed to his strength much more effectively
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:37 am to Cover1Key
Can I get a TL:DR version?
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:42 am to TizzyT4theUofA
I just copy/pasted straight from Google or ChatGPT or whatever it was.
It’s basically what I’ve been typing for awhile now.
That’s why I think it’s time for me to bow out. Any fan can just google this stuff that I’m spending time typing on here bc I like sharing football knowledge. I coached in college for several years before I thankfully got out.
I like the dedicated fans to truly understand exactly what to look for or what the answers are and discuss it. But now all you have to do is search online or go to YouTube now and watch what the offense is supposed to be doing (15+ downfield shots per game minimum, etc) and why it’s failed so far.
Only time will tell anyways.
It’s basically what I’ve been typing for awhile now.
That’s why I think it’s time for me to bow out. Any fan can just google this stuff that I’m spending time typing on here bc I like sharing football knowledge. I coached in college for several years before I thankfully got out.
I like the dedicated fans to truly understand exactly what to look for or what the answers are and discuss it. But now all you have to do is search online or go to YouTube now and watch what the offense is supposed to be doing (15+ downfield shots per game minimum, etc) and why it’s failed so far.
Only time will tell anyways.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:53 am to Cover1Key
I can't explain how much I think you are correct but I don't know how you can say that with the putrid o-line play over the last few seasons and there is no Derrick Henry at running back.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:56 am to Che Boludo
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Ty over Blake Sims 2014
With an entire extra game played, and a decade of the sport going more pass happy... ty managed a whopping 80 more passing yards than blake, their final season. If we throw in the discrepancy in rushing yards, Blake is up almost 200 yards on ty, in 14 vs 15 games.
quote:
Milroe over Sims.
Not even gonna waste words on this.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:58 am to MoarKilometers
Ty injury was significant
Jalen's skill set for Kiffin too much to pass up
We don't have to disagree. Opinions and assholes and such
Jalen's skill set for Kiffin too much to pass up
We don't have to disagree. Opinions and assholes and such
Posted on 8/3/26 at 12:06 pm to jjv0004
Booker- 1st round
Proctor- 1st round (right)
Brailsford- extremely good Center
That’s not exactly trash. I compare it to a far less easy to fully grasp version of a team whose fans gripe about the inability to throw the ball, but their team runs the Flexbone/triple option.
I know it’s not that simple, but it’s really not that far from it, When the run game is a compliment to light boxes and for defenses to honor Playaction fakes, then I wouldn’t expect that offense to run the ball for 4ypc.
Having a featured Back like Crowell will help with that a lot, but the scheme is what it is and the coaches are focused on fixing the downfield passing game and not drawing up new run schemes to try and figure out how to rush 30+ times a game.
Proctor- 1st round (right)
Brailsford- extremely good Center
That’s not exactly trash. I compare it to a far less easy to fully grasp version of a team whose fans gripe about the inability to throw the ball, but their team runs the Flexbone/triple option.
I know it’s not that simple, but it’s really not that far from it, When the run game is a compliment to light boxes and for defenses to honor Playaction fakes, then I wouldn’t expect that offense to run the ball for 4ypc.
Having a featured Back like Crowell will help with that a lot, but the scheme is what it is and the coaches are focused on fixing the downfield passing game and not drawing up new run schemes to try and figure out how to rush 30+ times a game.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 12:10 pm to Che Boludo
quote:
Ty injury was significant
Blake Sims never lost by 2 TDs to a 5 win team.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 12:24 pm to Cover1Key
quote:
Having a featured Back like Crowell will help with that a lot
projected as the 3rd string at best as of today and has yet to log more than a handful of practices before getting injured in the Spring. Lots and lots of wishcasting my dude.
Sure, he could be great, but he's a reclassify and apparently dealing with a nagging injury. Let's pump the brakes a little.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:03 pm to MoarKilometers
quote:apples to oranges
Blake Sims never lost by 2 TDs to a 5 win team.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:18 pm to bamabenny
I’m simply pointing out that an NFL/prime Saban years type RB will obviously help the run game on its own just bc of the elite talent. I didn’t mean this season.
Outside of an elite RB who gains yards after contact and consistently makes the 1st tackler miss, then you will see that 3.8ypc go up closer to 4.5 imo. Also a dual threat guy like KR can chip in 30 or so yards a game and more importantly force defenses to play less man coverage so the defense doesn’t have their back turned to him.
Still, at the big the day, it’s the downfield efficiency that will make or break the offense. All you need is to hit 5 out of 13 attempts to achieve this (on an average day). Defenses want to limit explosive plays more than anything else and each one of those 5 completions sets the offense up in scoring position. It doesn’t take going 10-14 for 400 yards to make it work. That’s what has been SO frustrating with Ty and Milroe…just give us the QB that CKD had at Fresno State and we are good to go.
The downfield pass concepts/route designs are beautiful and create mismatches (it’s not like they are just chunking it up in the air and hoping for the best).
The QB just giving the WRs a chance is all it really takes to accomplish what they need in order to be successful….they just can’t go 2-15 like Ty did, to the point they abandoned the most vital component of the offense.
Mack and KR both have nice touch on the ball and plenty of arm strength. I think you will see RW and 1 other WR go over the 1K mark (they kind of have to) this year.
Outside of an elite RB who gains yards after contact and consistently makes the 1st tackler miss, then you will see that 3.8ypc go up closer to 4.5 imo. Also a dual threat guy like KR can chip in 30 or so yards a game and more importantly force defenses to play less man coverage so the defense doesn’t have their back turned to him.
Still, at the big the day, it’s the downfield efficiency that will make or break the offense. All you need is to hit 5 out of 13 attempts to achieve this (on an average day). Defenses want to limit explosive plays more than anything else and each one of those 5 completions sets the offense up in scoring position. It doesn’t take going 10-14 for 400 yards to make it work. That’s what has been SO frustrating with Ty and Milroe…just give us the QB that CKD had at Fresno State and we are good to go.
The downfield pass concepts/route designs are beautiful and create mismatches (it’s not like they are just chunking it up in the air and hoping for the best).
The QB just giving the WRs a chance is all it really takes to accomplish what they need in order to be successful….they just can’t go 2-15 like Ty did, to the point they abandoned the most vital component of the offense.
Mack and KR both have nice touch on the ball and plenty of arm strength. I think you will see RW and 1 other WR go over the 1K mark (they kind of have to) this year.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:19 pm to Cover1Key
Please continue with your detailed posts. Many of us have learned more in the last few days than we have literally in years. They make a lot of sense too. Thanks.
Why didn’t Mack, who has a good deep ball, take more deep shots vs Indiana?
Why didn’t Mack, who has a good deep ball, take more deep shots vs Indiana?
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:25 pm to tattoo
I believe he hit a couple 20+ yard throws right off the bat and led them right down the field for their only points of the game if I’m not mistaken?
But primarily it’s bc they didn’t scheme up matchups to create 1-on-1’s down the field or going playaction and rolling right then throwing up the left sideline to a RB 30yds downfield after he finished his play-action fake (for example). Everything was designed for intermediate or screens pretty much.
When you completely give up on it and start looking for other ways to desperately try to move the football, then the scheme, matchups, motions, playaction and route designs aren’t going to be designed for downfield throws. Also, you aren’t repping those plays in practice either.
But I will say that he looked much better than Ty did with how the ball came out his hand with touch and also threw a very catchable ball compared to the rockets that Ty would throw.
That’s why I’m excited and anxious to see the offense with 1st half of Georgia (year 1) type play-designs that defenses can’t adjust and take away bc you are so limited/non-existent in another area(s) of the passing game.
But primarily it’s bc they didn’t scheme up matchups to create 1-on-1’s down the field or going playaction and rolling right then throwing up the left sideline to a RB 30yds downfield after he finished his play-action fake (for example). Everything was designed for intermediate or screens pretty much.
When you completely give up on it and start looking for other ways to desperately try to move the football, then the scheme, matchups, motions, playaction and route designs aren’t going to be designed for downfield throws. Also, you aren’t repping those plays in practice either.
But I will say that he looked much better than Ty did with how the ball came out his hand with touch and also threw a very catchable ball compared to the rockets that Ty would throw.
That’s why I’m excited and anxious to see the offense with 1st half of Georgia (year 1) type play-designs that defenses can’t adjust and take away bc you are so limited/non-existent in another area(s) of the passing game.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 8/3/26 at 1:35 pm to tattoo
This is a good quote that shows CKD’s frustrations….this was post-game after the 20-9 victory over LSU this past season:
“We're disappointed that we didn't have explosives in the passing game,” DeBoer said... “We didn't have enough explosives as an offense. We only had just a handful, and we should have had two to three times that in any game we play.”
“We're disappointed that we didn't have explosives in the passing game,” DeBoer said... “We didn't have enough explosives as an offense. We only had just a handful, and we should have had two to three times that in any game we play.”
Posted on 8/3/26 at 2:44 pm to Che Boludo
quote:
Milroe over Sims
This is a joke right?
Posted on 8/3/26 at 2:51 pm to Cover1Key
Love this post. Only thing I need for him is to pick Keelon
Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:13 pm to Cover1Key
I think you are 200% better than the usual jackals around here who go off on emotion and ignorance.
The fact is, Saban had missed on a good number of players, especially offensive linemen and running backs late in his career, and the cabinet was empty when it came to QB after having had 3 straight studs. We also struggled to regain footing on defense after the big loss to the draft in 2020. Always had some missing pieces.
DeBoer has been an absolute winner everywhere he has been. He took his second Bama team to the SEC championship game and to the playoffs. And while I am no where close to the Xs and Os guy you are, even I could tell that we were hampered at quarterback, and we really needed more size on defensive line to be elite against the run and the pass.
Keep hanging around. You make the place better.
The fact is, Saban had missed on a good number of players, especially offensive linemen and running backs late in his career, and the cabinet was empty when it came to QB after having had 3 straight studs. We also struggled to regain footing on defense after the big loss to the draft in 2020. Always had some missing pieces.
DeBoer has been an absolute winner everywhere he has been. He took his second Bama team to the SEC championship game and to the playoffs. And while I am no where close to the Xs and Os guy you are, even I could tell that we were hampered at quarterback, and we really needed more size on defensive line to be elite against the run and the pass.
Keep hanging around. You make the place better.
Posted on 8/3/26 at 6:08 pm to LovetheLord
Amen, especially the first and last lines of your post.
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