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Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:22 am
Posted by Cover1Key
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Posted on 8/3/26 at 3:22 am
LINK

The last time CKD had his own QB and his own WR’s ^^^^^^


I will GLADLY eat all the crow in the world if I’m wrong, but I’m telling you, this is the best Bama team since 2021-2022, and 10-2 is their floor with 11-1 being more likely. The offense is finally in place for CKD to run what he wants to and what he did at UW (lots of downfield passing/explosive plays), and the defense only needs to do what they’ve been doing….but they can actually improve due to the experience and the personnel on the DL actually fits the scheme and isn’t undersized by 25lbs across the board like they have been.

CKD is 18-0 at Alabama when the offense has produced 23 points.

They will produce 23 or more points in all 12 games this year.


Bama went 9-3 in 2024, and was just 1 win away from Atlanta and the Playoffs with the worst roster a Bama team had since 2007. 2023 was CNS final year and that team had 6 first rounders and 3 second rounders (including Amos and Downs who both transferred after the season ended) on defense ALONE.

The 2024 roster CKD inherited had 14 new players to the program as starters, and ONE 1st round pick on the entire team.

Everyone remembers Milroe’s pick-6’s/meltdown vs OU that would’ve clinched a spot in the Playoffs in Year 1, but it was actually the debacle vs UTjr that was FAR WORSE and cost them 10 wins and a spot in the Playoff and Atlanta that gets overlooked somehow.

Bama’s defense shut Tennessee’s offense out the first half (#1 scoring offense in the conference), along with forcing THREE turnovers deep in UT territory. Milroe proceeded to throw a pick on 1st and goal from the 2 on a fade ball somehow and then fumbled a snap away, before proceeding to throw another interception. That game should’ve been over at halftime just by the QB staying out of the way.

That game was DOMINATED by Alabama and should’ve clinched a 10-2 season with a FAR less talented roster than the 11-1 team the year prior under

Comparing the 2023 roster in CNS’s last season to the 2024 roster CKD inherited is painful to even attempt.


Then you throw in the fact that CNS was a defensive HC and CKD is an offensive-minded HC who was stuck with Milroe, and had to bring in a 17 year old TF and his 4th WR from UW to lead the offense, and it only made the challenge greater.

It’s crazy to me that CKD was just ONE Milroe meltdown away (Tennessee or OU) from going 10-2 and reaching Atlanta and the Playoffs in Year 1, with that team, which would’ve netted him SEC COTY in my opinion. Then of course in Year 2, he DID accomplish both those things along with defeating OU in the Playoffs.

This upcoming season will be the first time CKD has HIS own QB and skill players. The defense had been steady-eddy for two years and is responsible for the majority of the team’s success these first two years…..they’ve allowed less yards AND points than Georgia since CKW took over two years ago, while also forcing the 7th most turnovers in the country.

This year:
Hubbard, Z Brown, D Lee, Z Mincey, Sabb, Taylor, Morgan, Jireh Edwards combine to give Bama the best Secondary in the country and that’s not really debatable after finishing 3rd nationally in pass defense and returning every starter.

The Dline is FINALLY back to having the size and depth to play the 3-4 Under Front that CKW has evolved into
after getting away from a 4-2-5 Last year Faga had to play a 0/Shade/2i at 287lbs for example.This year the DL has size and is deep. Also Yhonzae Pierre gives them a 1st round pass rusher.

CKW is similar to Venables at OU (only SEC team to allow fewer points than Bama these past 2 years), in that they both like smaller, faster LB’s who can cover. That’s why Jefferson excelled in this defense. Woodson is a converted Safety and Bray Hubbard is used at LB in obvious passing situations.

Bama fans more than anyone else, need to watch that link above to understand the offense and why the Oline/running game is a symptom of a bigger problem.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 5:27 am
Posted by Pastor Mike
Florida
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Posted on 8/3/26 at 4:20 am to
Would you like Ketchup or BarBQue Sauce with that?
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/3/26 at 5:09 am to
We will have a top ten defense. The key to offense success is the Oline.
Posted by Cover1Key
Member since Dec 2025
791 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 5:15 am to
I think the Oline is fine honestly. Stretch the field in the passing game, and you WILL get/create favorable numbers to run the ball against.

It’s not like Bama has been getting in 11 and 12 personnel groupings and getting stuffed against defenses with only 5 defenders in the Box. It’s always a neutral Box at best and -1 more times than not. It’s hard to run “Power” into the teeth of a zone pressure.

Force the Safeties/DC to respect a consistent threat of getting beat vertically and the running game will magically take off.

They will never rush for 200+ every week in the SEC bc this offense isnt designed to and that’s OKAY.

It is more about yards per carry…that is the best measure of success for this offense on the ground. 7 guys blocking 6, or 6 guys only having to block 5 makes it a whole lot easier to average 4+ ypc
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 5:21 am
Posted by Cover1Key
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Posted on 8/3/26 at 5:27 am to
Ketchup works
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 5:28 am
Posted by Night Vision
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Posted on 8/3/26 at 6:56 am to
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/3/26 at 8:45 am to
Man if I’m an LSU lurker I’d love to get my 15 year paycheck
Posted by TideSaint
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Posted on 8/3/26 at 8:59 am to
quote:

The last time CKD had his own QB and his own WR’s ^^^^^^


I will GLADLY eat all the crow in the world if I’m wrong, but I’m telling you, this is the best Bama team since 2021-2022, and 10-2 is their floor with 11-1 being more likely. The offense is finally in place for CKD to run what he wants to and what he did at UW (lots of downfield passing/explosive plays), and the defense only needs to do what they’ve been doing….but they can actually improve due to the experience and the personnel on the DL actually fits the scheme and isn’t undersized by 25lbs across the board like they have been.

CKD is 18-0 at Alabama when the offense has produced 23 points.

They will produce 23 or more points in all 12 games this year.


Bama went 9-3 in 2024, and was just 1 win away from Atlanta and the Playoffs with the worst roster a Bama team had since 2007. 2023 was CNS final year and that team had 6 first rounders and 3 second rounders (including Amos and Downs who both transferred after the season ended) on defense ALONE.

The 2024 roster CKD inherited had 14 new players to the program as starters, and ONE 1st round pick on the entire team.

Everyone remembers Milroe’s pick-6’s/meltdown vs OU that would’ve clinched a spot in the Playoffs in Year 1, but it was actually the debacle vs UTjr that was FAR WORSE and cost them 10 wins and a spot in the Playoff and Atlanta that gets overlooked somehow.

Bama’s defense shut Tennessee’s offense out the first half (#1 scoring offense in the conference), along with forcing THREE turnovers deep in UT territory. Milroe proceeded to throw a pick on 1st and goal from the 2 on a fade ball somehow and then fumbled a snap away, before proceeding to throw another interception. That game should’ve been over at halftime just by the QB staying out of the way.

That game was DOMINATED by Alabama and should’ve clinched a 10-2 season with a FAR less talented roster than the 11-1 team the year prior under

Comparing the 2023 roster in CNS’s last season to the 2024 roster CKD inherited is painful to even attempt.


Then you throw in the fact that CNS was a defensive HC and CKD is an offensive-minded HC who was stuck with Milroe, and had to bring in a 17 year old TF and his 4th WR from UW to lead the offense, and it only made the challenge greater.

It’s crazy to me that CKD was just ONE Milroe meltdown away (Tennessee or OU) from going 10-2 and reaching Atlanta and the Playoffs in Year 1, with that team, which would’ve netted him SEC COTY in my opinion. Then of course in Year 2, he DID accomplish both those things along with defeating OU in the Playoffs.

This upcoming season will be the first time CKD has HIS own QB and skill players. The defense had been steady-eddy for two years and is responsible for the majority of the team’s success these first two years…..they’ve allowed less yards AND points than Georgia since CKW took over two years ago, while also forcing the 7th most turnovers in the country.

This year:
Hubbard, Z Brown, D Lee, Z Mincey, Sabb, Taylor, Morgan, Jireh Edwards combine to give Bama the best Secondary in the country and that’s not really debatable after finishing 3rd nationally in pass defense and returning every starter.

The Dline is FINALLY back to having the size and depth to play the 3-4 Under Front that CKW has evolved into
after getting away from a 4-2-5 Last year Faga had to play a 0/Shade/2i at 287lbs for example.This year the DL has size and is deep. Also Yhonzae Pierre gives them a 1st round pass rusher.

CKW is similar to Venables at OU (only SEC team to allow fewer points than Bama these past 2 years), in that they both like smaller, faster LB’s who can cover. That’s why Jefferson excelled in this defense. Woodson is a converted Safety and Bray Hubbard is used at LB in obvious passing situations.

Bama fans more than anyone else, need to watch that link above to understand the offense and why the Oline/running game is a symptom of a bigger problem.


Posted by Diego Ricardo
Alabama
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 8/3/26 at 9:10 am to
quote:

Man if I’m an LSU lurker I’d love to get my 15 year paycheck



fwiw, I've disagreed with some of your assessment of the 2024 roster DeBoer inherited in the last few days but it's just a disagreement. No big deal.
Posted by bamabenny
Member since Nov 2009
16030 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 9:44 am to
While I think this team could surprise a lot of people, I just don’t share the same optimism about the OL. Would love to be wrong, though.

DL should be improved, LB is a big question mark and the secondary is going to be special.

Another thing we haven’t mentioned much is how awful we’ve been on special teams. Our punting unit has been downright terrible since JK Scott left. We were losing field position battles by 15-20 yards in trading punting possessions.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 9:45 am
Posted by Cover1Key
Member since Dec 2025
791 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 10:16 am to
Sorry.

I do my best to provide detail and reasoning for my opinions/observations/explanations.

This is a football message board that focuses on Alabama football. I apologize if my posts are too long for your taste.

The best advice I can offer is to just simply skip over it
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 11:03 am
Posted by Cover1Key
Member since Dec 2025
791 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 10:38 am to
Thats why I try to explain in DETAIL
what CKD’s offense is trying to accomplish and how it works. So educated fans actually know what is happening on the field.

If you watch the link I provided, you will see more completions downfield in the first 45 seconds than Bama has since CKD arrived 2 years ago.

I would go as far to say that CKD hasn’t even attempted more than a dozen such throws that you will see if you take a few minutes to watch his UW, Indiana and Fresno offenses.

The running game is not built to “make their arse quit” or over-power defenses. It’s there to setup playaction in the passing game and to take advantage of “light boxes” where the offense has more blockers than there are defenders in the Box.

That is a product of an extremely efficient vertical passing game that CKD is known for. I’m not making excuses for the Oline, but when defenses can play 1-high Safety coverage bc they KNOW that Ty is tremendous in the intermediate passing game, but almost looks left-handed when he throws anything downfield outside the hash marks, then it’s difficult to expect those guys to block more defenders than there are Olineman near the Box.

When defenses can put 1-2 more guys at the LOS, or even close enough to be Box that they can support the run, then it really doesn’t matter how good your OLine is when there are “free hitters” on both sides of the ball and/or you are handing the ball off into pressures (blitzes) from the defense.

Again, fans and media can gripe about the OLine all they want, but until Bama has a downfield passing game that resembles CKD’s offensive system that he has had success with his e tire career, then the running game WILL continue to struggle.

Watch the back to back fade balls to Ryan Williams in the SECCG, where he drops a TD, then draws a PI from the DB holding on for dear life, then watch the Safety (#24) move back to the hash over RW and the MOF Safety push to the far hash (wide side of the field), which forces the alley defenders (Nickel/Dime backs) to widen with the #2 (slot) WRs.

On the very next play, you will see giant running lanes with a +2 advantage in the box AS WELL as a the intermediate game open up now that that Safety is no longer sitting at 15 yards right in the MOF…..Ty throws a beautiful intermediate ball to Bernard for a walk-in score.

That is how this offense is built to function, but the 4th quadrant (deepest part of the field) is the most important area that they MUST have success, and the threat of success on any given play in order to get that running game going that fans are begging for.

I’m sorry if you disagree, but that’s the reality of the situation. I’m not trying to offend anyone nor argue. I am presenting the facts as they are and how Grubb/CKD’s offensive philosophy.
Posted by Cover1Key
Member since Dec 2025
791 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 10:40 am to
What players on the 2024 offense would have started under CNS from 2009-2022?
Tyler Booker is all I got.
You?
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
22392 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 10:45 am to
Ty over Blake Sims 2014 and maybe over Coker.

Nm: read 2024 and interpreted 2025.

Milroe over Sims.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 10:46 am
Posted by Cover1Key
Member since Dec 2025
791 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:00 am to
LB’s in CKW’s defense are built/recruited to play just about the same exact way Venables at OU does.

Venables is a multiple guy who bases out of a 3-4 Over/Under.

They both like 3 large human beings to play the Shade/2i, 3-tech, 4/4i and a stand-up edge rusher in a 9-tech/7/“ghost 9 (Y. Pierre).

Behind those 4 guys, they have a true Mike/Middle LB that is a “run first” plugger/thumper who always aligns inside the box.

The other 6 guys are essentially all DB’s with various sizes and skill sets who all can RUN. Speed is what they want. That is why Jefferson stood out last year and was great in coverage.

Woodson is a converted Safety and will stay on the field in both Nickel and Dime situations and wear the “dot”. Q.B. Reese will start off as the Mike/MLB, but will come off the field in passing situations….last year Bray Hubbard was used a lot as the 2nd “LB” on the field, or they would only play with a head-up MLB if they were in Dime.

I really like the tandem of Reese and Woodson bc they fit the scheme.

Alabama and OU have surrendered the fewest points and yards in the Conference while also forcing the most turnovers, so there is something they are doing right.

Seattle Seahawks (out of an Even Front) won the Super Bowl this past season using the same body rules/philosophy with the back-6/back-7 of the defense.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 11:18 am
Posted by bamabenny
Member since Nov 2009
16030 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:00 am to
I don't think anyone disagrees that an efficient downfield passing game would subsequently open up the running game, but we're wishcasting that all of a sudden being a successful part of the offense in 2026.

Also - if our special teams aren't substantially better, we're going to be playing behind the 8 ball on field position all year (again).
Posted by Cover1Key
Member since Dec 2025
791 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:01 am to
I gotta disagree there man. I’m a big Blake Sims fan and he was FAR from the turnover machine that Milroe was.
Posted by Cover1Key
Member since Dec 2025
791 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:09 am to
1. I agree wholeheartedly concerning Special Teams. Just shows what even better job the defense did. Worst Punter in recent memory. Not just the yardage and guaranteed shank every week, but the Punts were also so low and returnable.

2. I am not simply talking about a solid downfield passing game. I am talking specifically about CKD’s offensive philosophy. The running game is there to keeps defenses honest and especially to setup playaction.
As much as you guys may hate it, Bama is not going to average 150 yards on the ground…but they don’t need to.

I really wish fans would take the time to watch UW play Oregon in any of the matchups against Lanning, or the Texas games. Also, think of the 1st half of the Georgia game in year 1, before UGA went 1-high and played multiple versions of cover 3/9/7, and stoned the offense the entire 2nd half, but while UGA was playing their “normal defense” they couldn’t slow Bama down even with Milroe.

They aren’t going to satisfy fans in the running game bc they aren’t trying to. Hopefully scoring 35+ points in SEC play will be enough to satisfy the masses regardless of how those points are scored.
This post was edited on 8/3/26 at 11:13 am
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
6763 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:12 am to
quote:

ut we're wishcasting that all of a sudden being a successful part of the offense in 2026.


Sounds like we need a ban bet between Benny and Cover.

What should be the parameters to determine who wins and who leaves town forever?

Perhaps one or both of them can lay down the stipulations.
Posted by bamabenny
Member since Nov 2009
16030 posts
Posted on 8/3/26 at 11:16 am to
I think Cover brings some good, albeit lengthy discussions to the board. I just don't share the optimism that our offense is all of a sudden going to be UW 2023-esque. I'm hopeful we will see some improvements on balls down the field, specifically outside the hashes but I'd rather see the proof before doubling down that it's going to be there before camp even starts.

Hell, anything is going to be an improvement over last year, though. It's still baffling how Ty was so good at every level of throwing the ball but absolutely could not connect on anything downfield.
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