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Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:21 am to SECSolomonGrundy
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:21 am to SECSolomonGrundy
I think Gary starts at Nebraska. Holt doubtful unless that shot improves a lot.
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Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:29 am to Allthatfades
When you sign 5 freshman, most of whom expect to play, and you have returning guys who expect to play, and Sears who you signed who will definitely start, there’s only so many minutes to go around.
If a guy can come here and play 12-15 minutes a night or go somewhere else and play 25-30 minutes night, they’re going somewhere else. For instance, Lucas started at Oregon St. and will start at Nevada. Here, assuming Sears and Burnett start, he’d be coming off the bench. Tough sell.
If a guy can come here and play 12-15 minutes a night or go somewhere else and play 25-30 minutes night, they’re going somewhere else. For instance, Lucas started at Oregon St. and will start at Nevada. Here, assuming Sears and Burnett start, he’d be coming off the bench. Tough sell.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 7:31 am
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:44 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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SECSolomonGrundy
Nebraska has been playing basketball for 125 years - they've never won a single NCAAT game and have only made the tournament seven times.
Georgia has five wins all time in the NCAAT.
Alabama has more S16 appearances that UGA and Nebraksa have NCAAT appearances combined. They are not comparable in any way.
You either know that and are intentionally being obtuse or you're an idiot that thinks he the smartest person in the room.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 8:06 am to CCTider
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I know this might sound crazy. But stay with me for a second.
Maybe the guys transferring out, transferred out for the same reason why the bigger names in the portal haven't chosen us. Maybe, they all want more minutes, and don't see where they're going to come from. Maybe guys would rather play at a smaller school then sit at a bigger school.
Crazy, I know.
I like that the narrative has switched from "these guys aren't good enough, and we'll replace them with guys that will play a lot" to "they want playing time so we couldn't keep them, and we'll get guys who are better from southwestern state university."
Crazy indeed
Sure, we might have, and still might, get lucky and land a guy or two who fits better. Sears looks like a good addition, but we really needed a PG. But, my point all along was that I don't love letting role players walk, when we know they can/will contribute in favor of possibly getting a transfer that's better. Those situations don't work out probably more often than they do.
Anyway, carry on.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:11 am to Chadaristic
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You either know that and are intentionally being obtuse or you're an idiot that thinks he the smartest person in the room.
Yeah I'm the idiot because I refuted the idea that Gary and Holt left to go play at "smaller" schools and that they are somehow guaranteed starter's minutes. How foolish of me to ask for sourcing. I'm sorry I questioned the obvious brilliance of our recruiting decisions and this board's mastery of the English language.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 9:11 am
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:16 am to Teague
With Holt and Gary it's simply that the new transfer rules make it very tough to keep returning "depth" players if they're not on a clear path to seeing an increasing role (or just really want an Alabama degree)
I don't keep track of other NCAA tourney caliber teams' rosters but would guess that Alabama's 2 spots are likely less than most teams currently have?
None of this is to say that Gary wouldn't obviously be a player that could help you in certain games and may be a godsend if you had a couple of injuries.
Or that Holt won't shoot 35% from the perimeter the rest of his career and turn into a solid P5 starter.
However, it certainly has to be clear to both of them that they would be going into next season most likely fighting for the 8-12 rotation spots for minutes played.
I tend to think it's a bit of a straw man argument to presuppose that Oats simply pushed to transfer rather than laid it out that they'll have to improve a lot to get/stay in the regular rotation.
The current roster has 7 guys you 100% expect big minutes from, 1 more if JQ comes back and 3 more in Griffin, Pringle and Clowney that the staff must hope will be better than Gary and Holt.
Again, none of this is to say that they can't be useful or improve or better than newcomers. It's to say that hardly any college team can hold onto players that have already been in the program and see their spots being depth more than major contributors if there's another program where they can play a lot more.
In fact, it's the main reason for the transfer rule change, to give Holt and Gary a better option to play rather than just be depth for 4 years.
I don't keep track of other NCAA tourney caliber teams' rosters but would guess that Alabama's 2 spots are likely less than most teams currently have?
None of this is to say that Gary wouldn't obviously be a player that could help you in certain games and may be a godsend if you had a couple of injuries.
Or that Holt won't shoot 35% from the perimeter the rest of his career and turn into a solid P5 starter.
However, it certainly has to be clear to both of them that they would be going into next season most likely fighting for the 8-12 rotation spots for minutes played.
I tend to think it's a bit of a straw man argument to presuppose that Oats simply pushed to transfer rather than laid it out that they'll have to improve a lot to get/stay in the regular rotation.
The current roster has 7 guys you 100% expect big minutes from, 1 more if JQ comes back and 3 more in Griffin, Pringle and Clowney that the staff must hope will be better than Gary and Holt.
Again, none of this is to say that they can't be useful or improve or better than newcomers. It's to say that hardly any college team can hold onto players that have already been in the program and see their spots being depth more than major contributors if there's another program where they can play a lot more.
In fact, it's the main reason for the transfer rule change, to give Holt and Gary a better option to play rather than just be depth for 4 years.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:39 am to wm72
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I tend to think it's a bit of a straw man argument to presuppose that Oats simply pushed to transfer rather than laid it out that they'll have to improve a lot to get/stay in the regular rotation.
I think this is generally how those conversations go. They may have even wanted Gary to come back. His minutes declined but he was still an experienced player who knew the system. It's a 2 way street though. If he doesn't want to come back and be the 3rd guy off the bench playing 12 minutes a night then he's going to transfer to a place where he thinks he will play more than that. I would be fairly disappointed in the staff if they told a kid he'd play 20+ minutes a night just to get him to stay and be bench depth.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:45 am to Chadaristic
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Nebraska has been playing basketball for 125 years - they've never won a single NCAAT game and have only made the tournament seven times.
Wow, that is hard to believe. NEVER won a game. In fact according to one site I found it said Nebraska has the distinction of being the only major conference program to have never won a game in the NCAA Tournament.
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Georgia has five wins all time in the NCAAT.
This is shocking too considering they went to a final four in the 80's. I looked that one up as well and found this
NCAA Tournament Appearances
2015 (#10 Seed) – Lost to #7 Michigan State 70-63
2011 (#10 Seed) – Lost to #7 Washington 68-65
2008 (#14 Seed) – Lost to #3 Xavier 73-61.
2002 (#3 Seed) – Beat #14 Murray State 85-68; Lost to #11 Southern Illinois 75-72; Appearance later vacated due to NCAA sanctions.
2001 (#8 Seed) – Lost to #9 Missouri 70-68
1997 (#3 Seed) – Lost to #14 UT-Chattanooga 73-70
1996 (#8 Seed) – Beat #9 Clemson 81-74; Beat #1 Purdue 76-69;
Lost to #4 Syracuse 83-81 (OT) in the Sweet Sixteen
1991 (#11 Seed) – Lost to #6 Pittsburgh 76-68 (OT)
1990 (#7 Seed) – Lost to #10 Texas 100-88
1987 (#8 Seed) – Lost to #9 Kansas State 82-79 (OT)
1985 (#6 Seed)** – Beat #11 Wichita State 67-59; Lost to #3 Illinois 74-58;
Appearance later vacated due to NCAA sanctions.
1983 (#4 Seed) – Beat #5 Virginia-Commonwealth 56-54; Beat #1 St. John’s 70-67; Beat #2 North Carolina 82-77; Lost to NC State 67-60 in the Final Four.
So it looks like 7 wins but two were vacated due to sanctions so 5 total wins. Still a shocking stat.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 9:51 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Words have meaning.
UGa enrollment is ~36k
UA enrollment is ~31k
Nebraska enrollment is ~26k
Its ridiculous to call UGa and Nebraska smaller schools. You can say we have a better basketball program. And it could be argued that those guys have a better opportunity for playing time at those schools. However, I don't think either guy is expected to come in and start at their new school. It's not like Gary and Holt went to Samford and Mercer looking to be featured. It's just erroneous to say they went to smaller schools for more playing time. They both chose schools that were (like it or not) pretty comparable to the university they left.
Lol. If you wrote that much over a poor word choice with an obvious intent, you must have some shite in your personal life that's bleeding over. Because if you're this much of a douche in real life all the time, than you must be a miserable bastard.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:11 am to CCTider
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Source: Keon Ellis has a workout scheduled tomorrow with the Minnesota Timberwolves
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:15 am to CCTider
Look man, you said the wrong shite. Just take the L and say that's not what you meant. I get it, we all get it. But it's not accurate to say those guys left to go to a smaller school. You call me a douche and a bastard bc I disagree over that point? I think you're projecting or you're a woman.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 10:50 am to wm72
I don't keep track of other NCAA tourney caliber teams' rosters but would guess that Alabama's 2 spots are likely less than most teams currently [/quote]
Saw a list on TI of SEC current rosters. We are the norm at 10-11 players currently. Arkansas is at 14 and may have 15 if Council commits. Tenn is at 8 or 9, but most are holding where we are. That seems to be the new norm with the portal. Players don’t want to sit at 10th -13th on the roster in hopes of future playing time, and coaches are no longer going to sign developmental players. There are way more players in the portal than roster spots, so coaches can wait to see who comes back from the draft, and if they still need some practice players, there will be plenty looking for a landing spot in early June when summer classes start. Also, I wonder if the cost of NIL promises to players also has limited how many boosters/ collectives can provide 13 spots with good money, so teams have smaller rosters? That sounds real corrupt, but maybe that’s where we are.
Saw a list on TI of SEC current rosters. We are the norm at 10-11 players currently. Arkansas is at 14 and may have 15 if Council commits. Tenn is at 8 or 9, but most are holding where we are. That seems to be the new norm with the portal. Players don’t want to sit at 10th -13th on the roster in hopes of future playing time, and coaches are no longer going to sign developmental players. There are way more players in the portal than roster spots, so coaches can wait to see who comes back from the draft, and if they still need some practice players, there will be plenty looking for a landing spot in early June when summer classes start. Also, I wonder if the cost of NIL promises to players also has limited how many boosters/ collectives can provide 13 spots with good money, so teams have smaller rosters? That sounds real corrupt, but maybe that’s where we are.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:42 am to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:Lol, Holt probably a reach for “starting minutes” I’ll give you that, but my point his minutes go up exponentially at UGA stands.
Are you gonna show us a link where this is even predicted or are you gonna tell me there is a different definition of "starting minutes guaranteed" that you clearly meant?
If I had to guess
***and this is purely my speculation***
the majority of the board understood the original point in smaller schools and basketball schools. Even if you didn’t make the original leap multiple people attempted to spell it out.
The original point was clear enough to me, but that isn’t the end all be all. In the event it wasn’t the intent came across in the following posts. This is just a basketball board man, not an assignment for literal larry or whatever paper you work for.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:55 am to IRobbedMyMom
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This is just a basketball board man
Yeah, and most college basketball fans understand the term smaller school. It doesn't mean a cross conference program and it typically doesn't mean a P5 state school. But somehow I'm thr bad guy for pointing that out?
If we went over the rant and called UGA a smaller school, what would the reaction be?
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:07 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
I don’t think anyone said you’re a bad guy they were trying to clarify. Your point is you were treated unfairly or something? Post whatever you want wherever you like nobody cares.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:13 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
The reaction would likely be as idiotic as most Rant responses... but, within the context of basketball talk within an Alabama basketball thread, most people seemed to understand it.
That said - it's still hard to imagine we don't end up with two portal players that can't AT LEAST replace end of bench level production.
That said - it's still hard to imagine we don't end up with two portal players that can't AT LEAST replace end of bench level production.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:13 pm to IRobbedMyMom
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don’t think anyone said you’re a bad guy they were trying to clarify.
You missed where the poster who made the original claim called me a douche and a miserable bastard.
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Your point is
My point is we should have kept Gary and Holt bc they didn't go to smaller schools searching for minutes. They made somewhat lateral moves.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:19 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Let.. it... go...
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:21 pm to passthetylenol
From The Athletic. Top Transfer Portal Commits and Fits
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12. Mark Sears | 6-1 guard | junior | Transferred from Ohio to Alabama
The Scout: Sears’ game is just very well-rounded across the board. After playing a backseat role to Jason Preston as a freshman, he blossomed into a terrific player this season who profiles well as a potential starting quality high-major guard. He made first-team All-MAC and was clearly among the best players in the league, averaging 20 points, six rebounds and four assists. He makes his presence felt defensively, makes solid (if unspectacular reads) as a passer, and consistently knocks down shots at a high level. He made 40.8 percent of his 3-point attempts, he rebounds well despite not having a lot of size, he operates well out of ball screens, particularly with a pick-and-pop big like Ben Vander Plas, who is also transferring.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:23 pm to AuburnTider
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The Fit: Sears is landing in a perfect spot to show off his ability to play in space and work out of ball screens. Alabama likely needs a replacement for Jahvon Quinerly at the lead guard spot, and Sears has the talent to play in the SEC. He’s also going from one program that shoots a ton of 3s to another that does the same. He’ll have free rein to handle the ball and create as long as he continues to prove his passing reads are on point. If he can handle the level, this seems like a perfect marriage of system and player.
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