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Posted on 7/13/21 at 7:18 am to Allthatfades
Posted on 7/13/21 at 7:18 am to Allthatfades
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If Oats sits down with him and is convinced, that’s good enough for me. Oats has earned the benefit of the doubt. I just think it can turn into messy situation quick.
This is where I am now, but it sure does give me an uneasy feeling.
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Posted on 7/13/21 at 7:23 am to Chadaristic
If the guy returns then he and the father will have a short rope as far as creating a problem. Nate isn't about to let this effect his program in a bad way.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 7:38 am to CrimsonFever
It would have made more sense for Shackleford to enter the transfer portal earlier, just like it would have made things easier for us. I think it makes more sense to just assume it was a very tough decision and one he wasn’t sure about than it does to assume he was trying to torpedo our roster management (to be fair, I’m not saying that’s your argument).
Everyone (people that are happy to have Shack come back, people that are happy to see him go) thinks they’re in the minority here, but I’m personally happy to have him back if that’s the case. Obanor might be a better player, but Shackleford is a bigger positional need and he knows the system inside and out.
If (and it’s a big if cause we still don’t really know shite) his Dad was advising him that going elsewhere would help with his pro prospects, I mean that’s not a super easy thing to resist for a 20 year old.
Unfortunately we’re just going to have to get used to guys flirting with or using the transfer portal. Unless you’re an Arkansas fan and then it’s just a fricking Christmas bonanza ever year.
Everyone (people that are happy to have Shack come back, people that are happy to see him go) thinks they’re in the minority here, but I’m personally happy to have him back if that’s the case. Obanor might be a better player, but Shackleford is a bigger positional need and he knows the system inside and out.
If (and it’s a big if cause we still don’t really know shite) his Dad was advising him that going elsewhere would help with his pro prospects, I mean that’s not a super easy thing to resist for a 20 year old.
Unfortunately we’re just going to have to get used to guys flirting with or using the transfer portal. Unless you’re an Arkansas fan and then it’s just a fricking Christmas bonanza ever year.
This post was edited on 7/13/21 at 7:40 am
Posted on 7/13/21 at 7:52 am to mistaken4193
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That’s what pisses me off too. Just because Oats turned down a lot of guys we could have easily landed back in April because he thought Shack would be back
Yes. To me it's the degree to which Shack communicated with Oats during this process. In that interview with Roger Hoover the day before (or was it the morning of?) Shack declared, Oats really sounded like he thought Shack was coming back. He talked about how they could work on the things the NBA wanted. I wonder if Shack's going in the portal last minute was a result of a demand from his father that he do that? Did Shack just have to appease his father, who supposedly has blamed Oats for the bad NBA evakuation? That possibility makes me much more willing to forgive Shack's last minute surprise.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:06 am to AbSnopes
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Did Shack just have to appease his father, who supposedly has blamed Oats for the bad NBA evakuation?
I truly have no clue what Oats could have done to make Shack more appealing to the NBA. We play a style of offense that is popular in the NBA. He took the most shots in that offense despite not being the most talented player. He never had to play out of position. There was literally nothing more that could have been done. If his dad really blames Oats then he just got it into his head that Shack's stats were good and that means he should be able to cash in with the NBA. When it turned out that wasn't the case, he had to blame someone.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:12 am to AbSnopes
the issue going forward is, wherever shack goes his father goes. if, and i say this having zero inside knowledge, if his father has orchestrated this situation blaming cno for the nba eval, there would have to be a very serious sit down with dad prior to accepting shack back. i just wonder if other teams has told dad, no thanks, we are not interested in your drama?
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:24 am to crimsontater
there's a lot of assumptions in this thread.
Has it even been confirmed his dad is the issue? where did that originate?
Has it even been confirmed his dad is the issue? where did that originate?
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:26 am to Robot Santa
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he just got it into his head that Shack's stats were good and that means he should be able to cash in with the NBA.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:29 am to McGregor
Message board rumors. I mean the timing has sucked, but Shack never played anything but hard for us and didn’t seem like a problem on or off the court. I’d hate to see him go and think he could be a big asset for us next year. I won’t label him negatively unless he definitely leaves 
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:29 am to Chadaristic
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This is where I am now, but it sure does give me an uneasy feeling.
It would be better for the team if Shack moved on. This has a real potential to affect team chemistry. The two items that prompted the transfer were number of shots and opportunities to play the point. Neither of those things will improve for Shack this upcoming season here. We need to pull in another shooter whether that's a guard or Obanor.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:35 am to Chadaristic
Chad, Drew lives in my town and He is always at all high school games, football and basketball and even baseball for most part. When Alabama was in town and played at Von Braun Center, Drew was at the sideline talking to well connected folks on the floor and some players waved at him. Drew is an interesting character and sometime he rubs people wrong way with how he approach things, but I've found him to be a good guy and he is well connected for the most part. If he doesn't know, then he will admit it. I would say he's pretty much 85 percent reliable.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:36 am to DT55Forever1
This portal is going to affect a lot of teams I think with chemistry bc so many kids entered the portal and there is not enough spots across the country. Some are going to have to go back to their teams , drop a division or some other avenue I assume. We were pretty lucky actually with it in basketball. Some teams had multiple to several enter
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:41 am to DT55Forever1
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It would be better for the team if Shack moved on. This has a real potential to affect team chemistry.
Nate Oats is a grown man that can point to a spot on the bench if he doesn't like how things are going with one of our players.
If Oats wants him back then I'm fine with it. I also don't think there's anything to suggest the other players would be upset if Shack comes back.
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The two items that prompted the transfer were number of shots and opportunities to play the point. Neither of those things will improve for Shack this upcoming season here.
I am guilty of speculation too, but these are rumors and speculation stated like fact. We still don't really know.
And I just don't buy for a second that Oats would promise Shack time at the point just to get him back. Presumably both parties would be on the same page regarding his role, so I'm not especially worried about it.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:41 am to DT55Forever1
We would not be better if he moved on, I don't believe that for a second.
Dude scored 21 in the SEC title game, our leading scorer. Made a huge bucket before Herb made the final one or we aren't even in a position to win.
I agree the timing was suspect but until we know something for certain, I'm not a fan of all the negativity towards the kid.
Dude scored 21 in the SEC title game, our leading scorer. Made a huge bucket before Herb made the final one or we aren't even in a position to win.
I agree the timing was suspect but until we know something for certain, I'm not a fan of all the negativity towards the kid.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:55 am to Crede15
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Nate Oats is a grown man that can point to a spot on the bench if he doesn't like how things are going with one of our players.
and that would be one less player to put on the court.
Would rather have Obanor.
I do agree that the exact reasons he put his name in the portal are not known but pretty sure most players don't choose to leave for positive reasons.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:57 am to McGregor
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We would not be better if he moved on, I don't believe that for a second.
If Shack is going to be a distraction AND we could pick up Obanor, then yes, we would be better off.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:57 am to Bryant91092
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I mean the timing has sucked, but Shack never played anything but hard for us and didn’t seem like a problem on or off the court. I’d hate to see him go and think he could be a big asset for us next year. I won’t label him negatively unless he definitely leaves
Yeah, the timing definitely sucked and is the reason for any bitterness from fans - at least for me.
100% agree with Shack always giving effort and being a good teammate. Never heard of any discipline issues whatsoever that I can recall, his teammates seem to love him and Oats has always spoken very highly of him.
I also agree that he would be a valuable asset to the team. He has more experience in our system than anyone on the roster with 51 career starts - second most is Keon Ellis and JQ with seven each.
He's far from my favorite type of basketball player though. He's kind of a nightmare archetype if you have too many similar players like him on a roster imo (luckily he'd be the only one). An undersized - without being overly athletic - guard that is basically pigeonholed into the two guard spot, is pretty inefficient as a scorer, hasn't shown the ability to be a playmaker and while he improved greatly from year one to year two, he still isn't someone that I would consider a great defensive player.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:01 am to Crede15
quote:I completely agree. I,also, have confidence in Oats to make the best decision for the team.
I am guilty of speculation too, but these are rumors and speculation stated like fact. We still don't really know.
And I just don't buy for a second that Oats would promise Shack time at the point just to get him back. Presumably both parties would be on the same page regarding his role, so I'm not especially worried about it.
...hell, we've even got folks around here who'll call Saban's hand on football decisions...kinda like telling Rembrandt where to put the paint.Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:01 am to McGregor
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there's a lot of assumptions in this thread.
Has it even been confirmed his dad is the issue? where did that originate?
I should clarify because I mentioned that in my post - with "supposedly." I do not know if Sshack's father was mad at Oats. That has just been rumor, and I don't know where it started. Maybe by the fact Shack entered the portal at the last minute, and we all struggle to figure out why a guy who started and got the most shots in an offense that featured him would want to transfer. Anyway, I probably should not have mentioned that rumor, even with a "supposedly" qualifier. A good question on your part McGregor.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:02 am to Panthers4life
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Chad, Drew lives in my town and He is always at all high school games, football and basketball and even baseball for most part. When Alabama was in town and played at Von Braun Center, Drew was at the sideline talking to well connected folks on the floor and some players waved at him. Drew is an interesting character and sometime he rubs people wrong way with how he approach things, but I've found him to be a good guy and he is well connected for the most part. If he doesn't know, then he will admit it. I would say he's pretty much 85 percent reliable.
Good info - thanks for posting.
I've seen him on Twitter and I know he's a writer for one of the sites, but i've never paid much attention to his stuff because I thought he mostly covered football (hell, who doesn't when it comes to Alabama) and I get my football info elsewhere. Good to know though.
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