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Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:34 pm to
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:34 pm to
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2022 could be our GOAT class


I hope so, we are gonna have 5 or 6 spots open after this season. I think we need to fill some of the spots with transfers and add maybe 3 or 4 freshmen.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 5:58 pm
Posted by TrojanTide
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:35 pm to
I want a commitment, crystal ball, prediction towards alabama for a transfer, just SOMETHING for a basketball player. Or the non conference schedule, Sec schedule. Just SOMETHING.


This offseason feels so so so damn slow. I want Alabama basketball tonight.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 5:36 pm
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:41 pm to
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I want a commitment, crystal ball, prediction towards alabama for a transfer, just SOMETHING for a basketball player. Or the non conference schedule, Sec schedule. Just SOMETHING.


This offseason feels so so so damn slow. I want Alabama basketball tonight.



Me too. We did get a couple of predictions for Jaden Bradley a couple of weeks ago, but a commitment from someone would be nice. We seem to be in good shape for some good 22' players.
Posted by CrimsonFever
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Posted on 7/11/21 at 5:59 pm to
It's pretty much a given that Quinerly goes pro after this year if he has a good season right? He will be 23 in November, hard for me to see him coming back as a Sr. if he has a really good season this year. He is older than John Petty is.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 6:02 pm
Posted by rushball
Member since Apr 2021
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Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:07 pm to
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I don't understand why this guy doesn't get that these U19 games are a SHITTY way to evaluate a player. Over and over again, kids who are extremely good basketball players go to these all-star type games and there's no cohesiveness, no team chemistry, very little strategy and organization, etc


well that and the fact hes only really basing it on stat lines. a poster earlier noted bediakos performance against spain being good, which it was, esp since bediako pretty much won that game for canada. in the second half spain was killing edey with their spacing and 3s. their pg had 3 reverse layups on edey in that time from switches. when bediako came in midway through the 4th the game was tied. he stopped that pg's drives from working, and had several successful contests against spains other guard, dominguez who was spains best player. within that span of 3 minutes or so canada managed to go +7. technically bediako didnt get a single stat in that time outside of a rebound, but his presence caused canada to build a solid lead to end up barely winning. the game is so much more than just muh stats.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 6:10 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:09 pm to
I dunno why we're still are arguing about this silly stuff.

Bediako was not a "one and done" show up and put up double doubles type of recruit (JD is one of those). Some people seemed to think he was for some strange reason, and he just isn't. He was a GREAT signing and a GREAT fit for our roster, but he's a talented dude who needs to develop.

On the flip side, I just don't give two shites what happens in what is basically an all-star tournament with a bunch of random guys playing together in a "scheme" that is nothing like ours. One of the best parts of Bediako is how he fits our SCHEME. Canada doesn't run our scheme, so I really do not care at all how he performs running to the block or catching the ball at the elbow playing a halfcourt game. It's almost irrelevant.


Bottom line - Bediako was a great signing and will contribute for us next year. He's not gonna show up and be a 1st team all SEC C his freshman year.
This post was edited on 7/11/21 at 6:13 pm
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
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Posted on 7/11/21 at 6:14 pm to
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It's pretty much a given that Quinerly goes pro after this year if he has a good season right? He will be 23 in November, hard for me to see him coming back as a Sr. if he has a really good season this year. He is older than John Petty is.



With NIL, everything is different now. He might make a decent living being that he's our most popular student athlete on social media. So, who the hell knows. Seems like schools can offer a degree and all that branding assistance.
Posted by IB4bama
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:33 am to
"why would Oats want him back?" We wouldn't be SEC champs without Shack. He and Herb carried us over the finish line vs LSU in the championship game. I don't know where Primo was in that game. He definitely wasn't to be found when our backs were to the wall. All I saw the last 10 minutes was Shack and Herb. You also know that Shack will continue to work his but off to improve.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:39 am to
If Nate is still leaving the door open then that is good enough for me. Perhaps Nate would like for Shack and his father to be the one that makes the call to go elsewhere.
Posted by Crimsontide1713
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:39 am to
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I don't know where Primo was in that game. He definitely wasn't to be found when our backs were to the wall.


Out with an injury. Knee sprain...
Posted by TrojanTide
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:39 am to
Actually Primo wasn’t to be found anywhere that day but on crutches on the sideline. How dare he not show up with our backs against the wall!
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 9:07 am
Posted by TheNameIsDalton
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:46 am to
If I'm being asked who would I take out of the portal right now I would take Obanor over Shack. It would be really interesting to see how Oats uses him and Gurley in the lineup.

The Bediako discussion seems to have gone around the same circle a few times. I think we can almost all agree that you can't put too much stock into these U19 games but Bediako should provide some solid minutes, even if that's just bringing rim protection and rebounding. He's a project offensively but that's fine, he doesn't need to be All-SEC for us on day 1.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 9:56 am to
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even if that's just bringing rim protection and rebounding.


There is a lot to be said for that. Heck year before last ( he improved this past year) Reese was a matador and this year we had Rojas doing the best he could with guys 3 inches taller than him… there is a place for rebounding and defense. The offense will come
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:08 am to
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I would take Obanor over Shack.


10 times out of 10.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:15 am to
We'd be thin at guard, but it'd be really tough to pass up a guy who can shoot lights out the way Obanor can.
Posted by Crede15
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:22 am to
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Cockburn is big but he seems to move well and looks pretty athletic for his size to me. Not saying he's the perfect fit for our system, but sometimes you take talent even if they don't fit perfectly. An NBA team may run a space and pace offense to perfection, but if prime Shaq wants to come play with them, they'll find a way to make it work. I think adding Obanor or Cockburn would cause a seismic shift in our expectations next year.

Having said that, Cockburn mentioned specifically that he wants to showcase his midrange shot this year. We would be an oddly curious choice if that was the case.


I've been out of the loop a bit, but Cockburn is an absolute "you take him and figure it out later" type of player in my opinion.

He's an elite college player, borderline elite at worst.

Obanor would be a monster on the offensive end for us, and a better schematic fit, but he's at best an average defensive player. He's so good offensively that he's an obvious take too though.

Is it also possible that some of the guards out there just aren't perfect fits for us?

Keith Williams: Seems like a 3 and D guy that unfortunately can't really shoot 3s. Nice to have long wings, but maybe not a perfect fit.

Tyrece Radford: I'm sure I have seen him play, but I can't remember anything about him. However, the advanced stats love him: LINK Doesn't shoot 3s at all, but is incredibly efficient from the field for a 6'2 guy, an elite rebounder, and seemingly a pretty good defender.

Also has some legal problems, and it's sort of hard to just wave that away completely.

Both are just not shooters at all. That doesn't mean we can't take them or they wouldn't be useful, but it does seem like we need another shooter. I would have liked Coburn from Hofstra, but he's already off the market.

Obanor is clearly the best shooter of any of those guys.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:31 am to
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The Bediako discussion seems to have gone around the same circle a few times. I think we can almost all agree that you can't put too much stock into these U19 games but Bediako should provide some solid minutes, even if that's just bringing rim protection and rebounding. He's a project offensively but that's fine, he doesn't need to be All-SEC for us on day 1.


Literally nothing else to add. This is the Bediako 2021-2022 paragraph.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:33 am to
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Is it also possible that some of the guards out there just aren't perfect fits for us?



I think that's very much part of it. Radford seems like the best basketball fit but the off court stuff matters and, as importantly, it doesn't seem to be concluded. Open ended legal stuff is not something I'd think we'd be looking to add.

Obanor would be a home run, IMHO. Getting Shack back would be solid, and getting Kofi would be interesting and strange but I know that Oats would have a specific plan for us if he was here, and that in and of itself is kind of exciting.

So, if we end up with any of the 3 I'll feel pretty good about things.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 10:35 am
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46194 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:45 am to
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Radford seems like the best basketball fit but the off court stuff matters and, as importantly, it doesn't seem to be concluded. Open ended legal stuff is not something I'd think we'd be looking to add.


I'm not sure what Virginia's laws are, but assuming they're anything like most states he's likely going to be able to get some sort of first offender or youthful offender status. The real challenge there is that, believe it or not, probation on a misdemeanor is often more difficult to transfer from one state to another than probation on a felony. I think ultimately his legal situation will get sorted out with no issues, but I'd mostly worry about him potentially having to drive back to Virginia once a month to report to a probation officer if they don't allow phone reporting.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:49 am to
And I think it actually happened and is in court in Maryland, which is even worse than SW VA in terms of distance.
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