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Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/20/22 at 2:50 pm to
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We'll quickly forget that he was an atrocious shooter for basically his entire career.



I'm not saying he was good, but he'd be above average on this years team so far.

Reese

Freshman 24 of 74 for 32%.
Soph 27 of 72 for 37%
Junior 51 of 171 for 30%
Senior 35 of 124 for 28%.

Career 31%
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
13247 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:06 pm to
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Our most lethal stretch of the year by far, Miami > @ Gonzaga > Houston, we were 43.9% (36/82)


People said last year’s team was live by the 3, but that wasn’t true because of the defensive ability that group had along with more versatile offensive options.

This year’s team is actually live by 3 I think.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30377 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:17 pm to
Reese was at least a threat. Which would open up driving lanes for JQ and more importantly JD.

JD would be thriving if we had a 5 that people respected from 3.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
6083 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 3:55 pm to
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This year’s team is actually live by 3 I think.


They don't have to be though and the LSU and AU game prove it. We've hung with a top 5 team and beat a top 25 team when shots weren't falling. I think the Quinerly change up helped tremendously last night. Our defense started off better and Quinerly came in with more energy and confidence on offense.

As for Quinerly's change in 3 pt percentage, I think a lot of it is also that he is launching way more of them and a lot of them are off the dribble. Last year Quinerly's money ball was the corner three which is something he hasn't shot much of this year. For you stat guys, I'd love to know if there is a site where you can look up shot location stats for players.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:07 pm to
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For you stat guys, I'd love to know if there is a site where you can look up shot location stats for players.


CBB Analytics - Shot Charts

I stumbled onto this the other day. Weirdly it's mostly a pay site but has these shot charts for all players and teams for free, which is awesome.

Quinerly 2021-22
- 4/20 on corner 3s (20.0%) (19.6% of 3s = corner 3s)
- 7/30 on head on 3s (23.3%) (29.4% of 3s = head on 3s)
- 14/52 on wing 3s (26.9%) (51.0% of 3s = wing 3s)

Quinerly 2020-21
- 15/25 on corner 3s (60.0%) (12.5% of 3s = corner 3s)
- 15/32 on head on 3s (46.9%) (26.7% of 3s = head on 3s)
- 22/63 on wing 3s (34.9%) (52.5% of 3s = wing 3s)



Shackelford 2021-22
- 24/51 on corner 3s (47.1%) (33.8% of 3s = corner 3s)
- 8/20 on head on 3s (40.0%) (13.2% of 3s = head on 3s)
- 23/80 on wing 3s (28.8%) (53.0% of 3s = wing 3s)

Shackelford 2020-21
- 22/56 on corner 3s (39.3%) (30.6% of 3s = corner 3s)
- 7/23 on head on 3s (30.4%) (12.6% of 3s = head on 3s)
- 33/104 on wing 3s (31.7%) (56.8% of 3s = wing 3s)
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 4:16 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:09 pm to
As for living by the 3 - I think we live by the fact that we have to at least be an average 3 pt team to expect to be consistently good. We do not have to be a great or even above average % shooting 3 pt team. We do need to be a 30% or better 3PT shooting team, I think, to be a consistent team.
Posted by Crede15
Member since Jun 2009
17250 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:20 pm to
That Quinerly corner 3 number from this year is crazy. Those seem more likely to be catch and shoot opportunities too.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:28 pm to
As a team, year over year of our make %s from different spots and the % of our attempts from different spots. More corner 3s this year, less wing 3s. However, not a huge difference. Pretty crazy how consistent we are with what we do on offense.

This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 4:29 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:31 pm to
Also, wild stat

Darius Miles 3 by side of the floor
- Right Side 3s - 13/24 (54.2%) (including 7/10 from the right corner)
- Left Side 3s - 4/21 (19.0%) (including 0/8 from the left wing)

Darius Miles has taken 96 shots this year.

- 49 3-PTs
- 27 shots within 4 feet of the rim
- 19 shots in the paint outside of 4 feet of the rim
- 1 shot from mid-range

1 out of 96 shots that isn't a 3 or at the rim. Incredible.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 4:33 pm
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46345 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:36 pm to
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As for living by the 3 - I think we live by the fact that we have to at least be an average 3 pt team to expect to be consistently good. We do not have to be a great or even above average % shooting 3 pt team. We do need to be a 30% or better 3PT shooting team, I think, to be a consistent team.


Yeah I mean if we made just 11/34 or 12/34, which is decent but nothing special, instead of 7/34 last night we win going away.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

Yeah I mean if we made just 11/34 or 12/34, which is decent but nothing special, instead of 7/34 last night we win going away.



Yea, if we shoot 30% from 3......

- Beat Auburn by 2 (+6 pt difference)
- Beat State by 1 (+3 pt difference)
- Beat LSU by 12 (+9 pt difference)

So, just shooting a very average number from 3 takes us from 12-6 (3-3) to 14-4 (5-1).


Outside of the Missouri debacle, we've played much better defensively since Davidson. PPP of 100.5 or less against Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, LSU. State was 108.8 (almost entirely due to offensive rebounding) and Missouri was 131.0 . Adjusted Defensive Efficiency of under 100 in all of those games but Missouri (obviously).

Our overall turnover rate has been pretty good lately (last night was the worst since Memphis, but LSU is the best in the country at that), our defense is better, our offensive rebounding has been great. We're doing stuff better, we just need to make open shots.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 4:43 pm
Posted by Gustave
Member since Nov 2015
3393 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:40 pm to
quote:

Yea, if we shoot 30% from 3......

- Beat Auburn by 2 (+6 pt difference)
- Beat State by 1 (+3 pt difference)
- Beat LSU by 12 (+9 pt difference)

So, just shooting a very average number from 3 takes us from 12-6 (3-3) to 14-4 (5-1).


Can we cash in our savings in March?
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
6083 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:41 pm to
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That Quinerly corner 3 number from this year is crazy. Those seem more likely to be catch and shoot opportunities too.


Yeah, that was shocking. Definitely wouldn't have guessed that he had already shot 20 from there. I guess when you hit 60% from that spot a year ago it makes it seem like you took a bunch more shots from that spot than you actually did.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 4:42 pm to
quote:

Can we cash in our savings in March?


We're saving them all up for

- vs A&M
- @ LSU
- SEC Tournament
- Road to New Orleans

Works for me
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9414 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:44 pm to
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Yeah, that was shocking. Definitely wouldn't have guessed that he had already shot 20 from there. I guess when you hit 60% from that spot a year ago it makes it seem like you took a bunch more shots from that spot than you actually did.


Yeah, it's surprising. JQ's shots, for the most part, don't look bad either. Mainly a ton of misses that are just a tad off.

Like, SOG posted above, it's not saying we are "live or die by the 3" to acknowledge that our strength is 3 ALL-SEC caliber guards/wings that are plus 3 point shooters but only one a real plus defender.

It's not that you abandon your game plan as a coach -- aside from maybe one specific play call in a must score situation for the time being -- just because one of them is in a slump.

JQ just needs to keep letting it fly as if he's hitting 40% the past month.
Posted by RumHam
Huntsville
Member since Jun 2021
3981 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:02 pm to
Yes sir, we are capable, it’ll be interesting to see how things shake out! See y’all in NO.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 6:03 pm
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
6151 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:08 pm to
His misses are hard BRICKS when he's wide open and he misses bad. He needs to make in game adjustments to his shot shoot even his free throw shooting is not trustworthy.
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
6151 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:14 pm to
We got to WIN games at the end of the day.

Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
20080 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:59 pm to
Wisconsin has 0 top 100 recruits on the whole roster and are in the top 10.
Posted by Joka2kold
Member since Nov 2019
6151 posts
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:01 pm to
That's good for them. They have some very smart basketball players though.
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