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So the sec office responds
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:11 pm
And it doesnt really clarify anything.
Rule 12, Article 3, Section 6
d. Clock adjustment at the end of any quarter.
If the game clock expires at the end of any quarter, either during a down in which it should be stopped by rule through play when the ball becomes dead or after the down upon a request for an available team timeout, the replay official may restore time only under these conditions:
The replay official has indisputable video evidence that time should have remained on the game clock when the ball became dead or when the team timeout was granted;
In the second and fourth quarters only, the team to which the ball would belong after it becomes dead would next put the ball in play from scrimmage (not the try);
In the fourth quarter only, either the score is tied or the team that will next snap the ball is behind by eight points or fewer; and
The replay official’s video evidence includes the timeout signal by an official in the case where the game clock should have stopped for a requested team timeout."
1. There was indisputable evidence??? Could they tell where either the ball or ball carrier was as time expired? No...me either.
2. The ball was a live ball. Not a dead ball.
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Also Saban used the wording "unfair play" because that is how its worded in the rule book.
Rule 12, Article 3, Section 6
d. Clock adjustment at the end of any quarter.
If the game clock expires at the end of any quarter, either during a down in which it should be stopped by rule through play when the ball becomes dead or after the down upon a request for an available team timeout, the replay official may restore time only under these conditions:
The replay official has indisputable video evidence that time should have remained on the game clock when the ball became dead or when the team timeout was granted;
In the second and fourth quarters only, the team to which the ball would belong after it becomes dead would next put the ball in play from scrimmage (not the try);
In the fourth quarter only, either the score is tied or the team that will next snap the ball is behind by eight points or fewer; and
The replay official’s video evidence includes the timeout signal by an official in the case where the game clock should have stopped for a requested team timeout."
1. There was indisputable evidence??? Could they tell where either the ball or ball carrier was as time expired? No...me either.
2. The ball was a live ball. Not a dead ball.
LINK
Also Saban used the wording "unfair play" because that is how its worded in the rule book.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:15 pm to BFANLC
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The replay official has indisputable video evidence that time should have remained on the game clock when the ball became dead or when the team timeout was granted;
This is where they screwed us, for this reason I stated in another thread:
The officials stopped the clock correctly. I've made this point a dozen times. The knee hitting the ground, the official blowing his whistle and waving his arms, and the clock operator hitting the switch don't all happen at the same instant. As soon as the knee hit, the ref blew the whistle and waved to stop the clock. As soon as the clock operator heard the whistle and saw the signal, he stopped the clock. In real time, the normal human reaction time means that the clock stops somewhere between 0.3 and 1.0 seconds after the instant the knee hits. This happens literally on every play in a 60 minute game where the clock stops, but only on this play did a second get put back on the clock. Unlike a basketball clock, the football clock doesn't have tenths of seconds. Maybe there was only 0.2 seconds left, but you can't put 0.2 seconds on the clock. The rule should be changed so that time is only put back on the clock in a case where the clock operator was clearly slow stopping the clock...and at least 2 or 3 seconds tick off...or where the officials legitimately made a mistake.
There was no indisputable evidence that time should have still been on the clock. The clock hit 0:00 exactly when it should have, given the three distinctly independent events that have to happen in succession in order to stop the clock.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:17 pm to BFANLC
None of that makes sense to me.
I've said before what should have been done was the referee makes his statement and IMMEDIATELY blown the whistle to start the clock. But no, he makes his statement, let's everyone get set, moves out of the way, checks everyone, then blows his whistle.
I've said before what should have been done was the referee makes his statement and IMMEDIATELY blown the whistle to start the clock. But no, he makes his statement, let's everyone get set, moves out of the way, checks everyone, then blows his whistle.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:22 pm to East Coast Band
This. They shouldn't have been allowed to line-up and get set with the center touching the football.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:31 pm to East Coast Band
The easy fix to this is that the current 11 players have to remain on the field in this situation. Substitutions are not permitted. They granted Auburn a timeout when they did not have one.
The whole sequence was a farce, because like it has been mentioned this isn't a case where a guy went out of bounds. The clock does not stop when a players knee is down on a first down. The clock stops when the ref signals for it to stop. There was not conclusive evidence that there was a clock keeping error because there wasn't a clock keeping error. At best the play "finished" a nano second before it hit 0:00. It was shambolic officiating.
The whole sequence was a farce, because like it has been mentioned this isn't a case where a guy went out of bounds. The clock does not stop when a players knee is down on a first down. The clock stops when the ref signals for it to stop. There was not conclusive evidence that there was a clock keeping error because there wasn't a clock keeping error. At best the play "finished" a nano second before it hit 0:00. It was shambolic officiating.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:31 pm to BFANLC
Not surprising. In all the years we have watched absolutely PATHETIC SEC officiating and of all the times we have witnessed SEC officials blow calls in our games and others, how many times has the SEC, in its statement, said, “Yeah, that was a bad call. It shouldn’t have happened. We’ll fix it and make sure it doesn’t happen, again,”?
Not even once.
All the SEC statements on officiating ever is is a spin and a deflection of responsibility and an attempt to explain why something that clearly and indisputably is is really not.
It’s pathetic. But, no coach or AD will challenge them on it. Ever.
Not even once.
All the SEC statements on officiating ever is is a spin and a deflection of responsibility and an attempt to explain why something that clearly and indisputably is is really not.
It’s pathetic. But, no coach or AD will challenge them on it. Ever.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:32 pm to BamaReb
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This. They shouldn't have been allowed to line-up and get set with the center touching the football.
Should not have been allowed to substitute players. When they did that the ref should have place ball down, blown whistle to start clock and allow Bama time to substitute players. Essentially running out the clock before a snap can be made.
If they had not subbed then maybe they could get off a snap for a hail Mary play. But allowing them to sub, line up, center with hand on ball, ready to snap on whistle is just bullshite. Gave them a free time out.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:36 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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The clock does not stop when a players knee is down on a first down. The clock stops when the ref signals for it to stop
The wording of the rules are vague. It states the clock is stopped when the referee awards a team a first down. When does a ref "award the offense a first down" that requires the clock to be stopped?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:38 pm to spacewrangler
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If they had not subbed then maybe they could get off a snap for a hail Mary play.
That's another point.
How could Alabama know what defense to put on the field not knowing if Auburn is going to go for a hail Mary or kick a FG?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:39 pm to BFANLC
Not surprising. Their incompetence has fricked us all season.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:45 pm to TheDrake
i just thought it was very nice of the ref to wait until auburn was fully set, before he wound the clock
Posted on 12/3/19 at 12:58 pm to crimsontater
The refs blew it at the end of each half and the SEC office knows it.
Like some have mentioned on here, they shouldn't have been allowed to substitute the kicking team in at the end of the first half at the very least. They should have had to use the same personnel that was on the field previously.
Like some have mentioned on here, they shouldn't have been allowed to substitute the kicking team in at the end of the first half at the very least. They should have had to use the same personnel that was on the field previously.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 1:00 pm to BFANLC
First of all, if Carlson doesn’t make a 50 yarder then this is all moot. Kudos to him for taking that opportunity.
However, what gets me mad is that is that this wasn’t just a missed call like a knee being down or a foot on the line. It seems like a group of people had to screw up in order for this to happen. From the head ref buckling to Gus’ demands, to the replay booth, to the entire crew not being on the same page when it came down to setting up the last play. It’s a joke that the SEC is trying look the other way here.
Credit Malzahn for lobbying hard and getting in the faces of the refs. Saban should’ve done more than just take the word of the side judge. He should’ve been equally involved with the head ref as Malzahn. Saban went off on them after the fact but he should’ve been in the face of the head ref making sure that the enforcement was done correctly. Of course that’s hindsight.
However, what gets me mad is that is that this wasn’t just a missed call like a knee being down or a foot on the line. It seems like a group of people had to screw up in order for this to happen. From the head ref buckling to Gus’ demands, to the replay booth, to the entire crew not being on the same page when it came down to setting up the last play. It’s a joke that the SEC is trying look the other way here.
Credit Malzahn for lobbying hard and getting in the faces of the refs. Saban should’ve done more than just take the word of the side judge. He should’ve been equally involved with the head ref as Malzahn. Saban went off on them after the fact but he should’ve been in the face of the head ref making sure that the enforcement was done correctly. Of course that’s hindsight.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 2:24 pm to East Coast Band
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the referee makes his statement and IMMEDIATELY blown the whistle
That is not a workable mechanic. Ref is not going to start the clock while looking at the press box.
Gotta have his eyes on his primary part of the 22 at all times before starting the play.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 2:33 pm to East Coast Band
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None of that makes sense to me.
I've said before what should have been done was the referee makes his statement and IMMEDIATELY blown the whistle to start the clock. But no, he makes his statement, let's everyone get set, moves out of the way, checks everyone, then blows his whistle.
Something tells me a rule change will be proposed this offseason. As I said in another thread on the subject, the simplest way to fix it would be to require the players on the field for the play being reviewed to be on the field when the ball is put back into play. If you substitute players during an official review it's a penalty and, if under 2 minutes are left in the half or the game, a 10 second runoff unless you have a timeout to burn.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 4:39 pm to Robot Santa
Did they offer an explanation of why Seth Williams was allowed to stay in the game after throwing punches at two Bama defenders on one play?
The Hoover kid at UGA wasnt afforded the same grace and will miss the first half of the SECCG.
Im not a big fan of these after the fact explanations because they've had some time to get their story straight. Just like when they came back after halftime in the LSU game with that BS explanation of the "Illegal Touching Moss catch at the 2 yard line"....replay clearly showed he went out on his own and never even fully came back in bounds, but whatever...
The Hoover kid at UGA wasnt afforded the same grace and will miss the first half of the SECCG.
Im not a big fan of these after the fact explanations because they've had some time to get their story straight. Just like when they came back after halftime in the LSU game with that BS explanation of the "Illegal Touching Moss catch at the 2 yard line"....replay clearly showed he went out on his own and never even fully came back in bounds, but whatever...
Posted on 12/3/19 at 4:58 pm to Bigfoot67
Yeah, I’d rather they not even respond at all instead of the BS spin they pump out every time they do this. It’s insulting.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:28 pm to FairhopeTider
The thing to me is with the offical should of help the ball giving use the chance to change def if we should since it was a different unit on the field and had he held the ball and backed away the play would have been over. What I get from reading this bs is well the clock didnt start. Who gives a crap if the clock didnt start. When the whistle blew it should of been half time period. However, Auburn gets the most bs calls ive ever seen at home. That is why we never seem to beat them there.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:05 pm to Robot Santa
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require the players on the field for the play being reviewed to be on the field when the ball is put back into play.
what if it is the scenario where teh offense must score a TD, thus will already have the correct players on the field anyway.
Unfortunately the only real way to fix this issue is to never stop the clock on first down.
Think about this weird occurrence that the offense is out of timeouts, but will take a knee right as the clock is expiring, force a review, and get essentially a free time out. Don't know how you'd ever be able to pull that off, but if someone did, the way the SEC explained it, they would have to let the play go and the offense get that free timeout.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:00 am to BamaGradinTn
The rule should be the NFL rule. If it's a live ball and under a minute left its a 10 second runoff. Only way to prevent the runoff is if you have a timeout.
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