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So is it safe to say Golding is staying?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:32 pm
Shrug.
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:37 pm to Lucky_Stryke
It sure appears that way. Saban must want continuity, so we will see how everyone develops in year 2. I believe Saban makes the best decision and weighs all of the options, so this must have been the best one.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:58 pm to florabama16
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It sure appears that way. Saban must want continuity, so we will see how everyone develops in year 2. I believe Saban makes the best decision and weighs all of the options, so this must have been the best one.
Good post, and to add to it, everyone needs to realize that we, as fans, only see a fraction of a coach's performance. Saban clearly knows what he's doing, and he sees all. And if he believes in keeping Golding, then logically there must be reasons for doing so, i.e. Golding is bringing a lot to the table that we don't see.
Granted, I don't have a low opinion of Golding like many here. But even if I did, I would have to admit that even in the face of whatever Cons I believed I saw in Golding, there must be Pros that I don't see, enough of them to outweigh the Cons such that Saban wants to keep him.
Additionally, coaches can be coached into success just like players, or even workers in another field. If Golding is a young guy will high aptitude, as he's reported to be, then let's believe that he can improve in the off-season just like anybody else.
Granted, I personally believe our defense will improve when the players improve through being replaced with better guys and/or through experience - and I don't think the fault lies with Golding - but that's been discussed into the ground, as has the fact that our defense wasn't nearly as bad as folks make it out to be in 2019.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 5:20 pm to prevatt33b
I agree. I think Golding needs to show what he can do in second year with healty players.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 5:32 pm to florabama16
Agree with this and who knows what happened (or is happening) behind the scenes. While our D has not looked very good, pretty sure Saban has this one... doubt he'd leave anyone on the roster if he did not have confidence.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:32 pm to Lucky_Stryke
Never thought he was leaving. I have 0 inside information, but I believe Saban likely see's things much differently than the fan base.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:38 pm to 3down10
It looks like Freddie Roach is coming over from Ole Miss to take over our defensive line, so maybe that'll help.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:39 pm to prevatt33b
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Granted, I don't have a low opinion of Golding like many here.
Neither do I. There's no reason to.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:41 pm to prevatt33b
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Granted, I personally believe our defense will improve when the players improve through being replaced with better guys and/or through experience - and I don't think the fault lies with Golding
That's right.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:41 pm to Lucky_Stryke
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Golding
Unannounced coach in waiting.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:44 pm to Eli Goldfinger
quote:You may be hearing about Roach coming this way as Dline coach.
Unannounced coach in waiting.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:44 pm to g650Tide
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Agree with this and who knows what happened (or is happening) behind the scenes. While our D has not looked very good, pretty sure Saban has this one... doubt he'd leave anyone on the roster if he did not have confidence.
We had the #6 defense in the SP+ this past year last I looked.
And all the games we lost were more about the turnovers on offense than the defense. IE: Lost to Auburn by 3 in a game where the offense throws 2 pick sixes and the refs give Auburn a free FG. Lose to LSU by 5 in a game where we fumble without contact inside the 10 yard line. Throw an interception in our own territory, then get a personal foul on the return to set LSU up with a TD from the 13. 15 seconds left on the clock in our own territory to end the half. And we throw an interception to change that game from an LSU 13 point lead into a 20 point lead. The offense was basically just giving away points.
Defense held them scoreless the entire 3rd quarter. In the end of the 4th they gave up 2 more TDs and that's what everyone remembers. Would have been nice to have held them, but they were the only 2 of the 2nd half.
We just saw what LSU did to Clemson, a team without all the injuries, rated higher in the SP+ than us, and with the DC everyone says is sooo great. Truth is, the RPO is extremely biased towards the offense and a team that can execute it properly is probably going to score. It's hard for experienced defenses to make the right reads against them, much less a bunch of freshman.
So yeah, 6th best defense isn't the standard we are use to. Normally we are #1 in SP+ on defense, sometimes a 2 or 3 at worse. But it's not the end of the world given the circumstances.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:48 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Unannounced coach in waiting.
Why wouldn't it be unannounced at this point?
Are we drumming up the theory Saban is waiting until after NSD? If so, what does that say about the hire? Saban doesn't want them here recruiting? Is it not an upgrade?
Normally when you have a good/big hire you would want to announce it as soon as possible to reap the benefits right? Are they currently DC for one of the Superbowl teams? If not, why wait?
I have 0 inside information, so hell, maybe you are right. But it doesn't make much sense as to why they wouldn't have announced it yet. Other schools are filling their staff pretty quickly.
What's the move we are waiting for?
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 6:53 pm to Sl0thstronautEsq
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Believe it or not, we finished at #3.
LINK
Nice, thanks for the link.
ESPN has some of the worst site navigation. They should just make the SP+ on it's own website like it use to be. Happy to see them pick it up and sponsor/pay for it, but hate that the website no longer updates.
It also killed my favorite SoS method, and that annoys me.
frick off ESPN if you are reading this.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 7:43 pm to 3down10
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Normally when you have a good/big hire you would want to announce it as soon as possible to reap the benefits right? Are they currently DC for one of the Superbowl teams? If not, why wait?
sometimes they wait in deference to to the program the guy is leaving. Coaches are a pretty tight community, but moreover, I suppose it's a do unto others as you would have them do unto you the next go round.
edit: not saying there will be a big hire because I don't have a clue
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:56 pm to prevatt33b
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Good post, and to add to it, everyone needs to realize that we, as fans, only see a fraction of a coach's performance. Saban clearly knows what he's doing, and he sees all.
Even placekicking?
I mean, it's not like every aspect of Saban's performance is completely above reproach.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:05 pm to 3down10
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So yeah, 6th best defense isn't the standard we are use to.
They were ranked 6th, or 3rd, or whavever, based on their performance against a schedule full of pretty shitty teams other than LSU and Auburn. That ranking really doesn't mean as much as people might like to think.
The rest of the teams on our schedule were ranked as follows in scoring per game:
94, 108, 104, 81, 82, 62, 98, 110, and 74. And Western Carolina was ranked 120 out of 124 in the FCS.
So saying we had the 6th or 3rd or whatever ranked defense really doesn't mean much at all when they played, on the average, the 93rd ranked team in the country in scoring 10 out of 12 weeks.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:05 pm to BamaGradinTn
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They were ranked 6th, or 3rd, or whavever, based on their performance against a schedule full of pretty shitty teams other than LSU and Auburn. That ranking really doesn't mean as much as people might like to think.
The rest of the teams on our schedule were ranked as follows in scoring per game:
94, 108, 104, 81, 82, 62, 98, 110, and 74. And Western Carolina was ranked 120 out of 124 in the FCS.
So saying we had the 6th or 3rd or whatever ranked defense really doesn't mean much at all when they played, on the average, the 93rd ranked team in the country in scoring 10 out of 12 weeks.
What makes the SP+ the best metric for these things is that it DOES take everything you've posted here into account.
There is no benefit to playing a bunch of crappy teams for these stats.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:15 pm to Panthers4life
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I agree. I think Golding needs to show what he can do in second year with healty players.
He couldn't develop his own position players who looked the same as the first game they played.
Newsflash: If the guy needs 5star veterans at every position to be remotely good he isn't that good.
I'm just hoping Saban is skow playing the change.
After all he did change Baker (as was rumored) it just took a couple weeks and it wasn't rumored replacement.
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