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Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:44 am to LovetheLord
Posted on 8/17/23 at 8:44 am to LovetheLord
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Is there a particular reason you wouldn’t go with a regular M4 with perhaps a folding stock or slide stock?
Mainly size and ability to fit into my confined space. Usability in a seated position. Etc.
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Also, I hear of people putting cans on M4s, but is there some value to that outside of noise reduction. Is noise reduction that important in a gun fight?
A few things here.
Yes, suppressors can increase accuracy as it is extending the barrel. However the more significant reason is the reduction of recoil therefore shot placement is easier.
Noise reduction is huge in a firefight, not being able to pinpoint who is shooting at you and trust me it’s not as easy as you think can be the difference in you winning the engagement. When a regular round goes over your head unlike what the movies show it’s a snap pew kind of sound. Generally you can tell what direction it came from, a suppressor is more of a pop and quiet.
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Posted on 8/17/23 at 10:40 am to CrimsonBoz
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A few things here.
Yes, suppressors can increase accuracy as it is extending the barrel. However the more significant reason is the reduction of recoil therefore shot placement is easier.
Noise reduction is huge in a firefight, not being able to pinpoint who is shooting at you and trust me it’s not as easy as you think can be the difference in you winning the engagement. When a regular round goes over your head unlike what the movies show it’s a snap pew kind of sound. Generally you can tell what direction it came from, a suppressor is more of a pop and quiet.
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Posted on 8/17/23 at 10:46 am to CrimsonBoz
quote:This isn't true since the bullet doesn't touch the suppressor. If anything, suppressors generally go the other way from an accuracy standpoint, and can cause a shift in POI, barrel harmonics, etc.
Yes, suppressors can increase accuracy as it is extending the barrel.
The primary benefits are noise reduction (5.56 is extremely unpleasant indoors unsuppressed) and visual signature reduction. The military is much more concerned with the latter; civilians tend toward the former.
This post was edited on 8/17/23 at 10:58 am
Posted on 8/17/23 at 10:50 am to CrimsonBoz
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So, aren't there some pretty overkill rules concerning SBRs? Are there issues with having one in your vehicle? Can they truly charge you if you aren't in the vehicle while the gun is in the vehicle so that it is technically out of your possession? Alabama and several other states don't allow SBRs correct?
I’m not positive on that honestly, I have a locked safe under seat in the truck. I think in FL the possession does apply I do have my vehicle garaged at home so it’s secure there. I guess in theory someone could steal the truck, break the safe and use it. I’d be liable.
I have an MPX I use when I travel to throw in a back pack. Its the K version and fits my bag with a can on it. Usually I carry my 12.5 in a case in the truck. I'm like you, better to have it and not need it, than the need it and not have it .I don't have a military or law enforcement back ground, but my two best friends are both military and police, so I train regularly with them. I am by no means great, but I shoot regularly and train that way.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:04 pm to TideCPA
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quote:Yes, suppressors can increase accuracy as it is extending the barrel.This isn't true since the bullet doesn't touch the suppressor. If anything, suppressors generally go the other way from an accuracy standpoint, and can cause a shift in POI, barrel harmonics, etc.
I disagree there is long standing theory that suppressors make weapons less accurate which isn’t the case. So many considerations go into a suppressor effecting accuracy such as ammunition type, thread misalignment or issues. It’s a statement that’s been busted time and again. However, I don’t need an article to tell me that I have real world experience with it.
Edit, Also I misspoke on extending barrel what I was trying to say is extend/increase velocity. Therefore increased velocity=straighter trajectory.
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The primary benefits are noise reduction (5.56 is extremely unpleasant indoors unsuppressed) and visual signature reduction. The military is much more concerned with the latter; civilians tend toward the former.
It’s a benefit I wouldn’t say primary. While nice to have indoors it’s not a requirement and certainly not the standard. Signature reduction yes but a flash hider can do the same. Location of engagement is a massive advantage as well.
This post was edited on 8/17/23 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 8/17/23 at 12:25 pm to CrimsonBoz
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quote:Yes, suppressors can increase accuracy as it is extending the barrel.This isn't true since the bullet doesn't touch the suppressor. If anything, suppressors generally go the other way from an accuracy standpoint, and can cause a shift in POI, barrel harmonics, etc.
I disagree there is long standing theory that suppressors make weapons less accurate which isn’t the case. So many considerations go into a suppressor effecting accuracy such as ammunition type, thread misalignment or issues. It’s a statement that’s been busted time and again. However, I don’t need an article to tell me that I have real world experience with it.
Edit, Also I misspoke on extending barrel what I was trying to say is extend/increase velocity. Therefore increased velocity=straighter trajectory.
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The primary benefits are noise reduction (5.56 is extremely unpleasant indoors unsuppressed) and visual signature reduction. The military is much more concerned with the latter; civilians tend toward the former.
It’s a benefit I wouldn’t say primary. While nice to have indoors it’s not a requirement and certainly not the standard. Signature reduction yes but a flash hider can do the same. Location of engagement is a massive advantage as well.
I'll go down the rabbit hole a little more. I haven't really seen any improvement or negative results in any accuracy, but the balance and muzzle flip certainly is better with a can. I have however experienced some point of impact shift most notably on my 9mm sub guns. Another consideration if you run suppressors for sound mitigation, as in running sub sonics, you will certainly need to re-zero. The velocities obviously decrease significantly with subs being generally a heavier round. These are just things I had to get familiar with when I got my first can.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 6:11 pm to LovetheLord
Not sure if you ever been to the knob creek range in Kentucky, but twice a yr they had the famous machine gun shoot. But also had a gun show where basically you could find any kind of weapon or parts your heart desired. It was massive!
I had the opportunity to cut loose with an authentic MG42 from ww2 that an old man had setup. Had the 1200rpm bolt in it. I went through two 50rd belts and was squeezing one second burst with it. I understood why they called it the buzz-saw, it was vicious is the best way I can describe it.
It’s a damn shame they stopped doing it. 21 was the last yr. It was a Mecca event for gun enthusiasts from all over the world.
I had the opportunity to cut loose with an authentic MG42 from ww2 that an old man had setup. Had the 1200rpm bolt in it. I went through two 50rd belts and was squeezing one second burst with it. I understood why they called it the buzz-saw, it was vicious is the best way I can describe it.
It’s a damn shame they stopped doing it. 21 was the last yr. It was a Mecca event for gun enthusiasts from all over the world.
Posted on 8/17/23 at 6:52 pm to hwyman108
I haven’t even heard of that event. Sounds like a blast. (Pun intended)
Posted on 8/18/23 at 12:14 am to LovetheLord
Walther PPQ M2 9mm
Best stock trigger money can buy.
Best stock trigger money can buy.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 7:21 pm to PowHound
S&W Performance Center Shield Plus
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