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re: PSA regarding this months-long Golding debacle
Posted on 3/7/20 at 11:20 am to Brostache48
Posted on 3/7/20 at 11:20 am to Brostache48
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I've even seen posts where you are pretty much begging for engagement with the topics.
I respectfully disagree. I simply go WAY out of my way to be polite sometimes as it helps balance things out regarding my reputation. Clearing showing "I come in peace" is useful sometimes. Choosing to be polite is still a smart idea. And I have no problem finding engagement on this board and never have. All the football guys whose opinion I respect on the topic will talk football with me - no worries there. I'm always nice to those people.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 11:25 am
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Posted on 3/7/20 at 11:21 am to TidalSurge1
Surge, do you copy my words because you are afraid that I will change them after posting like you do? Rest assured, I will not. I stand by everything I say.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 11:28 am to TidalSurge1
Oh you're doing that shite again.
RA'd. Stop throwing a fit like a 5 year old. Post something or don't post at all.
RA'd. Stop throwing a fit like a 5 year old. Post something or don't post at all.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 11:45 am to TidalSurge1
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Thanks, hossfly.
Nice edit, charlatan.
For the record, I will starting numbering your posts about me and your meme/pic/nonsense stalking posts. Your next post in this manner will receive the reply:
TidalSurge1's Obsession with Me post #41.
FYI, I don't feel like counting, but you've easily stalked me with memes and nonsense and posted about me personally 40 times in the last month or more, and so we'll start the counting there.
Let's put numbers on your obsession, shall we?
Posted on 3/7/20 at 11:52 am to prevatt33b
Your posting history records and counts your spamming of the board, charlatan. As long as you keep trashing the board, perhaps I should keep harrassing you for doing it.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 11:57 am
Posted on 3/7/20 at 11:55 am to TidalSurge1
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Count your own spamming of the board, charlatan.
TidalSurge1's obsession with Me Post# 41.
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perhaps I should keep harrassing you for doing it.
Thank you for finally admitting it.
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Posted on 3/7/20 at 11:56 am to prevatt33b
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No, I don't want to change people's opinion to be 'like mine.' I'll explain or try to.
On this board, on facebook, on many different posting outlets, there can frequently be a next-level type of bad opinion, and it can be so bad that it has a detrimental effect on society and in this case, on the board.
An example on Facebook would be a post that gets shared from the Washington Examiner (which is not and never has been a legitimate news outlet) that is filled with blatantly incorrect information about Canada's healthcare system, trying to scare people into not voting for Bernie Sanders. The author is a big healthcare lobbyist who wrote a book demonizing Sanders' healthcare plan, and it's all propaganda by misinformation. Sharing this link on Facebook as if it's news is literally bad for the world.
Have you somehow found a "source" in life that is totally objective? A pocket of humanity that can critically think without an emotional predisposition toward some type of bias? These people aren't dumb, as you suggest, they simply came in this world with only the ability to be "subjective." And whether you are aware or not, welcome to the club.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:00 pm to bamameister
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Have you somehow found a "source" in life that is totally objective? A pocket of humanity that can critically think without an emotional predisposition toward some type of bias?
There are many unbiased sources if you are willing to look.
And I know many people with the capability of avoiding emotional bias, yes - or at minimum, admitting when it pops up and redirecting their opinion.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:07 pm to prevatt33b
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And so yes, I very much believe in standing strongly against opinions that are detrimental to the board, and this Golding crap is a great example. Any critical approach to the evidence says that our defensive woes, where they existed, were primarily a result of injuries in key spots and youth. Can a reasonable person find in the evidence reasons to believe Golding has room to improve? Sure. Does the evidence show that Bama was still a really good defense compared to the rest of CFB? Yes. If Golding was as bad as he's been made out to be, wouldn't Saban have gone in a different direction? Yes.
And so, I'm bringing this up because in the end, the Golding haters were allowed to thrive on this board to the point that this topic has been ruined, and any and all discussion about defensive performance in 2020 has been ruined. A large enough portion of this board has convinced itself that the University of Alabama is going into the 2020 season with one of the worst defensive coordinators in CFB, and this notion will ruin the future discussion of defense. Proper discussion about it will not be possible, as way too many posters have found a nonsensical rallying cry of "everything is Golding's fault" . A logical approach to future evidence has simply been abandoned by a large percentage of posters here as it relates to defense, and I wanted to prevent that from happening.
And so yes, I want and wanted to stamp out this groundswell movement against Golding, not because he doesn't deserve criticism, but because the lowest common denominator posters can have a radical effect on the discussion at hand, pushing it into an extremely unfruitful and flat out incorrect place. For those lowest common denominator posters, confirmation bias is a powerful thing, but if other mindsets and opinions show them strongly enough that their position is faulty, it can be stopped.
I feel this is an intentional misrepresentation of the actions and feelings of others on this board. I think that very few posters have extreme anti-Golding views and that other posters have challenged how much criticism Golding should received before this became more about the posters arguing instead of the topic. I think more anti-Golding sentiment has developed more out of spite from the interaction with certain posters than from his performance which is the opposite of what is meant to be accomplished. I find a lot of this disingenuous.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:12 pm to Carlton
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I feel this is an intentional misrepresentation of the actions and feelings of others on this board. I think that very few posters have extreme anti-Golding views and that other posters have challenged how much criticism Golding should received before this became more about the posters arguing instead of the topic. I think more anti-Golding sentiment has developed more out of spite from the interaction with certain posters than from his performance which is the opposite of what is meant to be accomplished. I find a lot of this disingenuous.
I very much disagree, and I think you are rewriting history as it pertains to the discussion on this board a few months back. What we have now on this board is the result of the pendulum having swung back based on my and others' efforts arguing against the Golding haters.
Sure, our efforts contributed to making the board sick of the topic, but it was successful in getting the pendulum to swing back.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:13 pm to prevatt33b
So basically your saying that your more intelligent than any of the posters on here and everyone should think like you?
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:14 pm to prevatt33b
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And I know many people with the capability of avoiding emotional bias, yes - or at minimum, admitting when it pops up and redirecting their opinion.
Correct. You may very well know "some" people who are humble enough to admit they have an opnion. Never should that or any other statement be confused with an absolute fact.
The fact of the matter is that unless you see with you own eyes and experience an event first hand, most everything we hear needs to be taken as hearsay. It's simply second-hand information. Your personal feelings about sources you admire are just that. Your personal feelings. It's been going on for thousands of years my friend, in every aspect of life.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:16 pm to prevatt33b
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Sure, our efforts contributed to making the board sick of the topic, but it was successful in getting the pendulum to swing back.
I disagree with you being the successful reason the pendulum swung back. The reason why the narrative has changed is because he is still our DC and most of us have realized that saban doesn't give a shite about our opinions so we just deal with the facts of the situation
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:20 pm to Brostache48
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So basically your saying that your more intelligent than any of the posters on here and everyone should think like you?
No, not at all.
Each and every poster can and should strive for lively debate based on a thoughtful and measured evaluation of the evidence, with a purposeful effort to avoid personally insulting the players and coaches he/she claims to support.
And there a lots of intelligent posters here. I'm not sure that they are in the majority, though - especially during football season.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:23 pm to Brostache48
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I disagree with you being the successful reason the pendulum swung back. The reason why the narrative has changed is because he is still our DC and most of us have realized that saban doesn't give a shite about our opinions so we just deal with the facts of the situation
Valid take.
But to be clear, I never meant to indicate that I was the only reason it swung back. I said all that stuff to show an example of why I'd purposefully come down really hard on an opinion.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:24 pm to prevatt33b
Well that is how you come across in a lot of your posts. Then you saying you do it on purpose really makes it sound like you are playing a lot of psychological games in here
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:25 pm to prevatt33b
I can't change your perception of reality. I think most would tell you I am one of the most even and diplomatic people on this board. Most of my views are different than a large portion of this board and yet I find room to have productive conversations. With this debate the misrepresentation of board opinion is pretty clear. One that immediately comes to mind is the Golding is lazy and goofy. One poster said it and then it was assigned as the majority feeling of the board which wasn't true. Again the vast majority of the board does not have extreme feelings about Golding and I never remember the board being oversaturated with extreme Golding views. I think this is hyperbolic.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:28 pm to Carlton
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I never remember the board being oversaturated with extreme Golding views. I think this is hyperbolic.
I very clearly remember that very thing. There was a 1 to 2 week period before anyone started to counter the "Golding is a complete idiot" narrative. I remember it clearly and took note at the time.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:31 pm to Brostache48
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Then you saying you do it on purpose really makes it sound like you are playing a lot of psychological games in here
I'm saying I do it on purpose to counter terrible narratives, yes. And no I'm not playing games, although psychology is always at play regarding what humans read and the resulting formation of narratives. That can't be removed from the situation.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 12:32 pm to prevatt33b
Think he means there are a few who a very vocal about wanting Golding gone but the majority of the board ( some who even criticized him at times) just want to see improvement and are not calling for anybody’s head
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