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re: PSA regarding this months-long Golding debacle
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:24 pm to prevatt33b
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:24 pm to prevatt33b
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Everyone agrees Golding has room for improvement. Everyone.
That's mighty "subjective" of you. But can you be absolutely "objective" on the term "everyone?"
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Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:26 pm to 3down10
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Take it up with Terrell Lewis who called the article clickbait.
Sure, I just wanted to run it by you first.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:27 pm to Carlton
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Again, I think this is your tendency to exaggerate. From what I can see there is a period time where emotions are high after LSU and Auburn, but I don't see anything more than past loses. I was only able to find maybe 2 or 3 threads where no one spoke to the other problems the defense were dealing with.
Also who were the good posters that stayed away?
You're asking me for specifics that I don't have, and I rarely pay attention to usernames enough to group people. I just go by each post individually most of the time, especially during the season.
But to be clear, if you believe in a different version of events than me, that's fine. Agree to disagree. I'm just explaining how I saw it go down.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:34 pm to bamameister
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That's mighty "subjective" of you. But can you be absolutely "objective" on the term "everyone?"
I pay pretty close attention, and I have seen zero posters on this board indicate that they are 100% satisfied with Golding's performance. I have also spoken to zero Bama fans IRL who are 100% satisfied with Golding's performance. I have found similar results listening to pundits and podcasters. Furthermore, the context clearly implies that I am only talking about Bama fans, not all of society. And so based on this, it is my judgement that using the term "everyone" passes a reasonable test of objectivity on a message board based on my experience as a fan, and arguing the semantics of the term is a childish exercise in pointlessness, but I humored you. This forum is not a scientific journal and acting like it is is silly.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:35 pm to prevatt33b
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You're asking me for specifics that I don't have, and I rarely pay attention to usernames enough to group people. I just go by each post individually most of the time, especially during the season.
Then how did you know the good posters weren't posting if you don't know their usernames? Also the thread histories are there with dates and times and you have notes (unless you meant mental notes) so it shouldn't be hard to find the range where no one was defending Golding. I haven't seen it going back and looking.
I also think your version of events are important and am more than willing to accept them if I can find it. I miss things. But what you are presenting doesn't seem right and if I am not mistaking it is a big reason for your crusade.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:37 pm to prevatt33b
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Lordy, I'm an a-hole sometimes. It's how I choose to post on occasion. Period. I do it because I want to. Any resultant hate is fine with me, as I meant to insult the person's opinion. The insult was the purpose.
And according to the rules, it's personal insults that are forbidden. Insulting the opinion is not against the rules. And I really enjoy insulting terrible opinions. It's literally fun.
Fair enough.
You’re position is that of an insufferable prick who cannot make a truly valid point and back it with solid reasoning, so he throws in “assholery” I.e., snark and ridicule, in order to cover his polemical weaknesses.
. Love you.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:42 pm to 3down10
Prevatt and I were discussing people taking a minority or 1 person opinion and applying it to the majority even though the majority does not feel that way. This is a good example of that.
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It is funny how important the lazy and goofy phrase isI didn't remember ever seeing anyone make that argument about Golding so I looked back at the old threads to see where it came from. Boz called Golding lazy and goofy in the Pete Golding Interview thread and got 4 up votes. Some other person who rarely post agreed and got 4 up votes presumably from the same people. Someone less obnoxious than 3down10 said the lazy goofy thing was bullshite got 8 upvotes. I don't think I have seen any other people make that argument about Golding. Pretty much anytime that phrase is brought up it has been 3down10 or on very rare occasions another person who really hates Boz saying people still believe it even though, as far as I can tell no one makes that argument or at the very least I haven't found it. Those two words have led to some hilarious content.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:43 pm to Carlton
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Again, I think this is your tendency to exaggerate.
I will cop to potentially exaggerating the 1-2 week part. It might be more accurate to limit it to one week or most of a week. Whatever the length of time, I thought it necessary at the time to argue hard to get the pendulum moving back the other way. There's a decent I used the word "pendulum" at the time.
Also, and I want to be clear, any personal insults to a coach, something like "Golding is an idiot", I consider an egregious breach of proper fan decorum and should be a ban-able offense. I believe that whatever rules we have about personal insults to other posters should also apply to players and coaches, and those people should get banned immediately. I'm explaining this now to tell you that certainly, my experience at the time could have been affected more than other posters by what I considered personal insults to Golding.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:48 pm to Carlton
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Then how did you know the good posters weren't posting if you don't know their usernames?
Because in my eyes, a good poster is a poster actively posting well. A bad poster is a poster actively posting poorly. A person can be a good poster one week and a bad one the next.
And there was a period of time, multiple consecutive days, much longer than the average bad Sunday and Monday after a poor showing, where this board was shitstorm of horrible opinion and horrible takes. It was full of bad posters because it full of bad posts - period.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:50 pm to prevatt33b
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I will cop to potentially exaggerating the 1-2 week part. It might be more accurate to limit it to one week or most of a week. Whatever the length of time, I thought it necessary at the time to argue hard to get the pendulum moving back the other way. There's a decent I used the word "pendulum" at the time.
Also, and I want to be clear, any personal insults to a coach, something like "Golding is an idiot", I consider an egregious breach of proper fan decorum and should be a ban-able offense. I believe that whatever rules we have about personal insults to other posters should also apply to players and coaches, and those people should get banned immediately. I'm explaining this now to tell you that certainly, my experience at the time could have been affected more than other posters by what I considered personal insults to Golding.
It sounds like you took the typical ebbs and flows of feelings and emotions and your personal feelings on site decorum on a message board and made it a crusade that is way more than getting a pendulum swung back in the correct direction. It also seems there was little time if any that people did not provide defense or other reasons for the defenses shortcomings. Is that inaccurate?
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:52 pm to prevatt33b
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I pay pretty close attention, and I have seen zero posters on this board indicate that they are 100% satisfied with Golding's performance. I have also spoken to zero Bama fans IRL who are 100% satisfied with Golding's performance. I have found similar results listening to pundits and podcasters. Furthermore, the context clearly implies that I am only talking about Bama fans, not all of society. And so based on this, it is my judgement that using the term "everyone" passes a reasonable test of objectivity on a message board based on my experience as a fan, and arguing the semantics of the term is a childish exercise in pointlessness, but I humored you. This forum is not a scientific journal and acting like it is is silly.
For a dude who loves the psychology of the debate that's good to hear. So, in the final analysis, Alabama fans aren't really "dumb" they are just exercising their "reasonable objectivity."
You really should have made that the opening argument of this thread.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:55 pm to Carlton
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it is a big reason for your crusade
No, no, no. I am not on a crusade at all. I am only using this Golding stuff to illustrate that my acting like an a-hole is frequently for a good reason. Nothing more. It's only an example.
I don't actually care about the Golding debate anymore, as we're actually fully past it. We're now discussing the past discussion of Golding as it relates to me being an a-hole, as me being an a-hole is really the topic of conversation at this moment in this thread, is it not? Seems that way to me.
But honestly, if you don't like my example and disagree with how events went down months ago, that's fine. In that case, just know that I am an a-hole sometimes because I like crushing terrible opinions and being an a-hole while doing it. That seems like a simple enough explanation for you, I think.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:58 pm to prevatt33b
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Because in my eyes, a good poster is a poster actively posting well. A bad poster is a poster actively posting poorly. A person can be a good poster one week and a bad one the next.
That is fascinating. I think the average poster views individual posters as usually good or bad overall not in small timeframes.
I think this is example why your perception of the Golding talk on this board seems so much more exaggerated and seems disingenuous at times to the majority. You perception is fairly unique and at times need annotation.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 2:01 pm to bamameister
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Alabama fans aren't really "dumb" they are just exercising their "reasonable objectivity."
No, I believe more than 50% of Americans to be fundamentally incapable of intelligent thought and critical analysis. I think it's one of the most ignorant cultures on earth at the present moment, and is a country that celebrates the pursuit of ignorance. I believe the Alabama fanbase to be made up of a sample of this group, and so yes, I believe that more than 50% of Alabama fans to be incapable of intelligent thought and critical analysis.
The United States of America is a stupid, stupid society on the whole, and it's shameful. It doesn't help that the US consumes 80% of all psychotropic medicine produced on the planet - as a matter of fact, it's significantly contributing to the downfall of society as a whole.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 2:02 pm to Carlton
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That is fascinating. I think the average poster views individual posters as usually good or bad overall not in small timeframes.
I believe a person is as he does.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 2:04 pm to prevatt33b
Maybe compared to some other western countries.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 2:05 pm to prevatt33b
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But honestly, if you don't like my example and disagree with how events went down months ago, that's fine. In that case, just know that I am an a-hole sometimes because I like crushing terrible opinions and being an a-hole while doing it. That seems like a simple enough explanation for you, I think.
You have me mistaken. I'm not concerned with any of that. I was just gathering information on if you used factual information to support your reasoning for doing things or your arguments for the most part. I do find you to be belligerent at times and I think that any person who studies persuasion or debate would tell you that does way more to hurt you then help but you see that differently. Everybody uses different strategies.
This post was edited on 3/7/20 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 3/7/20 at 2:08 pm to Carlton
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A person can be a good poster one week and a bad one the next.
Also, you should understand that this is a possibility in my framework of viewing things. I am in no way, shape, or form indicating that it happens frequently, and am going well out of my way to prevent you from restating my views incorrectly, despite you making post after posting attempting to do just that.
"Can be" in the above quote means "possesses the ability to" and nothing more. It is not a statement of frequency.
I literally teach the English language and would appreciate it if you pay as close attention to the words I choose as I do when I choose them.
Posted on 3/7/20 at 2:08 pm to prevatt33b
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I believe a person is as he does.
You could believe that. However most people believe when someone says "the good posters weren't posting" you are referring to specific posters/usernames.
You can see the confusion, right?
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