re: Off-Topic: Governor’s Race

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Do you really believe that the founding fathers perceived our society as we are today?

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They understood human nature, which never changes.

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I seriously doubt they'd have a problem with keeping/financing a standing army, or using them to guard our borders if they were around today.

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Oh weve gone from federal discretionary spending to military and borders...how convenient for your argument. You refuse to argue with intellectual honesty, and for some reason cant "agree to disagree" You lean towards federal sovereignty, I lean towards state sovereignty. Your side has already won and we are seeing its fruits...and later consequences

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Oh weve gone from federal discretionary spending to military and borders...how convenient for your argument. You refuse to argue with intellectual honesty, and for some reason cant "agree to disagree" You lean towards federal sovereignty, I lean towards state sovereignty. Your side has already won and we are seeing its fruits...and later consequences

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You've completely "misread" me. I'm not for big government by a long shot, but I'm not naive about the necessity for federal govt. to intervene, and sometimes "call the shots" when it's needed. My " a standing military and borders" statement was in regards to the fact that our founding fathers couldn't have possibly imagined our society as it is now.
On that note, I'll say that also, I'm not oblivious to situations that come up in this day and age that certainly need to be handled by more than just the individual states!

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We're comparing governments now, not govt to private!

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What a strange reaction to my comment. Almost nonsensical. I'm getting older and my memory ain't what it used to be, but in my recollection this conversation was about state government v federal government. I believe my original statement that started this conversation was something along the lines of our state not needing the federal government.

As to the comment you quoted, I actually meant the federal government isn't more efficient or cost effective than any other option, but I won't belabor the point. I absolutely agree that state governments are more efficient and effective than the federal government at responding to the needs of their respective states. Private industry also being more efficient and effective doesn't change that point.

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BUT there is little or NO difference in state and federal cost for basically the same thing!

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You will not be able to provide any evidence to support this statement.

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I believe you'll find that the fed expense is most often less than state because of the contract size....NOW do you understand, oldtimer?

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You would believe wrong, and this statement actually shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. In cases of things like the interstate, the federal government typically just hands the funds off to the state and lets the state pick the contractors. This is how a large majority of ALDOT projects work in our state. In theory, this means the state and the feds should be exactly the same because it's still the state actually doing the work. In reality, the federal government adds a ton of ridiculous red tape for the usage of federal funds that actually ends up costing us more and making the jobs less efficient. A great example would be prioritizing minority- and women-owned businesses, which really just ends up being some unscrupulous business people who put their business in the names of their wife or some trusted minor "partner" who happens to be a minority because there simply aren't enough of these businesses to meet the demand. These sorts of priorities cost the taxpayer more money as all the sheep cheer.

In other instances, the federal government being involved has only increased costs and shown how inefficient they are. For example, everyone who has money forcibly taken from their checks and put into social security is far worse off than if that money had been put into some sort of investments. 100% of the time, social security is the worse option. Unfortunately, we can't choose not to be involved in it.

Another clearly obvious example of the federal government not being more efficient or effective involves Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare. The government has caused healthcare costs across the country to BALLOON because of these things. In an attempt to keep costs down for ONLY the government, in the long run they have caused costs to increase exponentially and unnaturally.

I interrupt this broadcast to say
-fatkid has been cool throughout this conversation/thread
-crisp has been hostile and condescending
carry on

She did but she apologized for it this morning by blaming some intern.

Lindy is really an uninspiring candidate. Tons of money but is really unimpressive.

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Is MeeMaw an inspiring candidate?

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She worse.

The only candidate that seems to not be a joke is Lew Burdette.

Burdette’s Facebook page

Warren Spahn's gonna be his Lt. Governor.