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re: Off Topic: Governor's race. Walt Maddox vs. Kay Ivey

Posted on 11/6/18 at 5:36 pm to
Posted by mrbroker
Sylacauga Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 5:36 pm to
and you think the governor has a lot to do in this? Economy and unemployment is great. Overall quality of life among my family and friends is pretty high.


Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/6/18 at 5:38 pm to
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and you think the governor has a lot to do in this?

You think I'm strictly talking about the governor?
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18308 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 5:41 pm to
The greatest influence on the economy is trade policy, monetary policy, taxes, and regulation. Imo, this economy is a house built on sand (debt). Until, America embraces free market capitalism, this current corporatist direction will bring the nation serious trouble w/n the next decade.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
3917 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 6:04 pm to
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Until, America embraces free market capitalism, this current corporatist direction will bring the nation serious trouble w/n the next decade.


Free market capitalism = corporatism.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18308 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 6:33 pm to
Corporatism===gov't is in bed with corporations. Bail-outs, regulations/taxes that hurt smaller competition, subsidies, etc.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62763 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 6:40 pm to
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I would never vote for a Democrat!

Every time you see Alabama come in 49th in any statistic, this ideology is a big reason why.

Laughable. New York, California have a large democrat base and are very high Blue state. Texas is red and has a high amount of red.

Alabama is 49th, not for Democrats or Republicans, but a failure in a society that put emphasis on education, etc. I don't mean pour money into education, that has no bearing, but for families to push their children to succeed and accept nothing less.
Too many around the state, black and white, simply don't do this with their kids. The solution won't occur in one big swoop, but one family at a time taking responsibility.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18308 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 6:48 pm to
Hard for that to happen with the existence of the welfare state. Motivation to improve one's life doesn't appear out of nowhere. Ben Franklin was correct about the cure for poverty.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62763 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 8:14 pm to
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Hard for that to happen with the existence of the welfare state. Motivation to improve one's life doesn't appear out of nowhere. Ben Franklin was correct about the cure for poverty.

Not sure what Ben really said, but it's a tough position. No one wants to see people starve, especially children. But, then you don't want to see people never try (nor want) to better themselves.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
3917 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 8:39 pm to
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Corporatism===gov't is in bed with corporations.


This is true. Corportaism means less regulations, which allows them to consildate and maintain power over smaller companies and organizations.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
3917 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 8:40 pm to
Manchin looking good in WV, thanks for the contributions Saban!
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18308 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 8:47 pm to
Nah, it usually means more regulations if any. It's the big guys know how to navigate their way through a labyrinthine rulebook. It's like when big business hire former IRS agents, b/c of their familiarity with tax code. Before its downfall, Enron was a huge support of the Kyoto Treaty. Why? B/c it was building plants in places like Africa (out of the treaty's supposed jurisdiction). Great for Enron, but a disadvantage for competitors who would have plants within the treaty's reach.

It's not uncommon for an ex congressman with no business background to suddenly find a job at a Wall Street firm like Harold Ford Jr. and Eric Cantor. Or for Facebook to do spying for the U.S. gov't. There are a myriad of other examples.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 8:49 pm
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
3917 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:07 pm to
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Nah, it usually means more regulations if any.


So you think that a completely free market would have less corporate takeover just because corporations are better equipped to navigate regulations?

If it wasn't for regulatory policies, what do you think would stop them from exerting complete control over every industry?

Do you think that anti-trust laws help massive corporations but hurt smaller ones?
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18308 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:17 pm to
All Standard Oil did was split up. Whoopeee.... Nevermind that Standard Oil produced affordable fuel for the common man. Same with Alcoa. A natural monopoly is rare, yet government-produced cartels are abound. Besides government services like driver license and public education, we had cab cartels for a long time. It got so bad that NYC went decades w/o granting a new Medallion. Now that Uber and Lyft have arrived, folks that bought and owned alot of those medallions are SOL. Whoops.

I don't understand how corporations can completely own you in a free market. You can always refuse to buy their produce and service. Believe it or not, businesspeople (esp. founders) are not trying to enslave you.

One more factoid: Henry Ford wanted to develop Muscle Shoals, making it the next Detroit (no jokes please). This excited Alabamians and others that lived nearby, but a congressman from Nebraska stepped in and helped put a stop to it. Now the area is run by TVA, a creation of FDR's New Deal. Not quite as exciting, oh well.

This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 9:22 pm
Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
8198 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:37 pm to
Awesome to see the real people of Alabama not falling for all the bullshite.

Carpetbaggers and ivory tower leftists completely out of touch with real people, you haven't taken over quite yet.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
3917 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:41 pm to
You didn't really respond to my questions. You state that a natural monopoly is rare, but what evidence do you have to support that? We've never had a true free-market environment to test it, and prior to anti-trust laws, monopolies were a significant issue.


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You can always refuse to buy their produce and service


Unless it is a utility or need-based service. I mean, you can choose to live in a cabin in the woods role-playing someone from the 1800s, but that isn't much of a choice.

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Believe it or not, businesspeople (esp. founders) are not trying to enslave you.


I'd say that they are doing a pretty good job right now, even with regulatory systems.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
3917 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 9:42 pm to
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Carpetbaggers and ivory tower leftists completely out of touch with real people, you haven't taken over quite yet.


I think it is dangerous that you believe that over half the country aren't "real people".
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
22525 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:12 pm to
He’s a prominent poli boarder so it makes sense.
Posted by BamaBo7
Madison,MS
Member since Jan 2017
5686 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:27 pm to
RED WAVE CAME LIKE THE TIDE IN BAMA!!
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20762 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:31 pm to
My hope was that Doug Jones winning would give the Alabama Democrats enough of a boost that it would force the ALGOP to at least work for their races and quit trotting our clowns like Zeigler. I’m a Republican but I don’t want a candidate to win one primary and then be guaranteed multiple terms.

I think Jones’ hard left turn the last few months killed any hopes the Democrats had of at least being semi-competitive in this state. I think he could’ve done some good for Alabama Democrats but unfortunately, he decided to step behind Schumer.
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
3917 posts
Posted on 11/6/18 at 10:35 pm to
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RED WAVE CAME LIKE THE TIDE IN BAMA!!


The Blue Wave came in pretty hard. Republicans didn't have many seats open in the senate, many of the Dem seats (the majority of avialable seats) were in Trump's country. No one reasonably expected the Dems to take the Senate. People may want to compare this to 2010 and paint the picture in favor of Trump, but Senate seats are 6 year terms, so this was a completely different cycle.

Dems taking the house by gaining 30+ seats is actually representative (as opposed to the staggered elections of the Senate) of our country. I think that many were hoping to snag one or two suprise elections (Beto, Florida/Georgia gubernatorial), but that was just a hope.

Dems take control investigative committees and Adam Schiff, Chair of the House Intelligence Committee has a pretty nice ring to it, in terms of the democratic perspective.

Overall, Dems win the night as expected, and are set up well for the big one: 2020.

Edit: though I personally hate that Pelosi is back on top.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 10:38 pm
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