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Evolved Simian
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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And yet, a REPUBLICAN is proposing a lottery with revenues splitting between education and the general fund.



I'd like to believe this will pass, but I don't think it will.


coachcrisp
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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Mormons have a strong hard-working culture (in spite of that batshite crazy religion). Alot of folks in deep south are afflicted with welfarism.

I was actually being facetious. You're correct...and you could take it even further.


FairhopeTider
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We had a Governor’s race last year and nobody, not even the voters of the state, cared enough to hold Ivey accountable. She rolled out a few ads about confederate statues and the necks ate it up. She cared so little about the voters that she didn’t even debate.

Screw Ivey and the lazy Alabama voters that put her there.
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Evolved Simian
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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Mormons have a strong hard-working culture (in spite of that batshite crazy religion). Alot of folks in deep south are afflicted with welfarism.




This is the difference in educational success and failure. It all starts at home. Race is irrelevant other than the fact that poor home support is more prevalent in some than others. When you look at kids who live in poverty and are raised by a single parent or grandparent (which is also why most are in poverty) the outcomes are the same regardless of race.


Evolved Simian
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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She cared so little about the voters that she didn’t even debate.


I agree with everything but this. She didn't debate because she isn't capable of it, not because she didn't care about voters.
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stomp
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The ten lowest funded school systems in the state are almost all predominantly white. Places like Autauga County, Oneonta City, Fort Payne, Blount County, St Clair County, Saraland, Etowah County. 

The top 30 funded districts (there are 136) include almost 100% black systems like Greene County, Sumter County, Lowndes County, Anniston City, and Barbour County, Birmingham, Bessemer, Tarrant, Macon County, Talladega, Linden, Dallas County, Tuscaloosa, Lanett and others. 


Cite your sources


Evolved Simian
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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Cite your sources




LINK

You think this isn't public information? Poor schools get thousands more in federal and state dollars than schools in wealthy districts. Look at the top of the list. Mountain Brook gets $5810 per student from the fed and state. Greene County gets $9748. Citizens of districts get to decide if they want to supplement those dollars for their own schools. Some, like Mountain Brook do. Others, like Autauga County don't.

TheSpleen was once again rambling about a topic in which he is clueless.


*This list is a different year (2016) than the article I originally pulled the bottom 10 from, but 9 of the bottom 10 least funded are predominantly white.

ETA - It is clear that simply throwing money at schools doesn't make them better. It HAS to start at home.
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FairhopeTider
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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I agree with everything but this. She didn't debate because she isn't capable of it, not because she didn't care about voters.



Its both. Ivey is horrible and has always been the career do-nothing politician that people in Alabama claim to hate. Yet she rose to her current position based purely on her party affiliation and incumbency.

Every time she was not protected by handlers, she looked completely lost. That's why I don't trust this bill. She's surrounded and propped up by handlers and outside influences.



Evolved Simian
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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Every time she was not protected by handlers, she looked completely lost.


I think it's possible she suffers from dementia, and has for several years. She was elected because she was a Republican with no obvious baggage. (What a difference 30 years makes, eh? Before 1988 a Republican couldn't get elected. By 2010, the pendulum had swung completely and both halves of the state house were Republican). Hell, Maddox could have pretended to be a Republican for a week and won with 80% of the vote.

As far as Ivey goes, I don't think she has much, if any, input into her own proposals. I've met her twice, and have never cared for her. This is one of those times when you just have to hope that the secret ruling cabal is benevolent.

That being said, her proposals this week do address some of the most pressing issues in the state; infrastructure, teacher pay, prison reform, higher education funding. I don't particularly care for the tax, but infrastructure in particular has been ignored for FAR too long.

I'm taking a wait and see attitude on her puppet masters. At this point, there's nothing else I CAN do.
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RollTide4Ever
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
What further?


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RollTide4Ever
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Seems like Ivey may be a one termer, sort of a Bill Battle version of governor.


Roll Tide Ravens
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
Passed and signed into law today.

Lot of reps and senators gonna get primaried.


Cobrasize
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Ha, how silly were we, thinking we might get to vote for it


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pvilleguru
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Passed and signed into law today.


Roll Tide Ravens
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
What are the thoughts on $150 million of the gas tax revenue going to the Port of Mobile?

The thing about that that frustrates me is that this bill is touted as being for fixing roads and bridges, with little mention to the public that a huge portion of it would go to improving Mobile shipping channels.


FairhopeTider
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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Seems like Ivey may be a one termer, sort of a Bill Battle version of governor.


I doubt she runs again but she didn’t have to lift a finger last time and won easily. So it wouldn’t shock me if she coasted to a 2nd term.


pvilleguru
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What are the thoughts on $150 million of the gas tax revenue going to the Port of Mobile?

I'm not crazy about it, but if that's what it takes to get an extra $350 million per year for roadways/bridges, I can live with it.
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InGAButLoveBama
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
Race does matter. It is a fact that even lower income Whites have a higher avg SAT than upper income Blacks. Blame it on culture, whatever, but the fact remains that race matters. Pouring more money on education will not necessarily solve the problem. LINK for proof of the uncomfortable and persistent racial disparity in SAT scores.
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InGAButLoveBama
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This is the difference in educational success and failure. It all starts at home. Race is irrelevant other than the fact that poor home support is more prevalent in some than others. When you look at kids who live in poverty and are raised by a single parent or grandparent (which is also why most are in poverty) the outcomes are the same regardless of race.
That is just not true, though I agree that good parents can help even a lower IQ person have a decent life.


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Cobrasize
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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I doubt she runs again but she didn’t have to lift a finger last time and won easily

I don't think she will run again either. I believe her health is awful and I believe this "gas tax" was her agenda the entire time.


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