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Roll Tide Ravens
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Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
Where do you stand on it?

I am 100% opposed to it, for several reasons:

1) My father owns a small business. He drives 35,000+ miles every year. He has to fill up his truck usually 3 times per week. For the average driver, this tax will cost them about $55 more per year, so you can imagine what it will cost people like my dad. That hurts when you are a small business that operates on a budget.

2) I want to see a good faith effort to cut waste in spending first. In other words, I want to see some sort of proof from the government that there is nowhere else in the current budget to get the money needed to fix roads. There is a stretch of I-65 that I travel everyday that is covered in pot holes, but that doesn't change the fact that the state government has not shown us that the money isn't already available.

3) I have heard from State Auditor Jim Ziegler that around $63 mil. per year is diverted from highway funds every year for other uses. If that is true, it needs to stop and that money should be used before implementing any new taxes.

4) Maybe I am overly suspicious, but I just don't totally trust an extremely corrupt state government when it makes a broad statement that it will use this tax revenue for "infrastructure, roads, etc," to actually use it for that purpose. I'd like to see a more comprehensive infrastructure/road plan.
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Cobrasize
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
I'm against it. We all know that the money wouldn't go where she is saying.


1ManWolfPack
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
I'm a consultant that works for ALDOT...please vote yes. There are a lot of road/bridge work that needs to get done and a lot of people (jobs are directly related) that need that gas tax to pass. I don't disagree that the budget could be tighten up in other areas, but...anyways, I have said my peace!! lol


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East Coast Band
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
Just legalize the lottery.

Sure, you can say the lottery goes to education, just divert the moneys going to education now to the highway budget, problem solved.
Let the idiots that can't figure out math pay for the roads.


Evolved Simian
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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State Auditor Jim Ziegler


Never listen to anything Ziegler says. Especially about anything regarding spending or appropriations.

In Alabama, the state auditor is neither an auditor nor an accountant. The department exists solely to maintain an inventory of state property.

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I want to see some sort of proof from the government that there is nowhere else in the current budget to get the money needed to fix roads.


Again, that's not the way it works in Alabama. Almost all state revenue is earmarked, and can't be diverted to other programs without a near act of God. The use for various taxes and other receipts are literally written into the state constitution.


Evolved Simian
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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Just legalize the lottery.


Only if they don't earmark the funds for education. The ETF in Alabama is the largest it has ever been. Money is DESPERATELY needed in other areas, particularly infrastructure.


Roll Tide Ravens
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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Again, that's not the way it works in Alabama. Almost all state revenue is earmarked, and can't be diverted to other programs without a near act of God. The use for various taxes and other receipts are literally written into the state constitution.

My point is that I’d like to feel like they’ve actually trimmed out the waste before going for tax increases.
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YStar
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
Divert education money?

Seriously is that what the state of Alabama needs or any southern states?


Robot Santa
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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1) My father owns a small business. He drives 35,000+ miles every year. He has to fill up his truck usually 3 times per week. For the average driver, this tax will cost them about $55 more per year, so you can imagine what it will cost people like my dad. That hurts when you are a small business that operates on a budget


Probably about $150-200 if $55 will be average. Most people put ~10k miles on their vehicle every year. Assuming the money actually goes to infrastructure that's really not that bad. You pay more than that every year for Netflix.


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BamaGradinTn
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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Just legalize the lottery.



Or, as I like to call it, a state tax on stupid people. Or uneducated people, poor people...whatever.

Drive up to Tennessee sometime, hang out in a convenience store for an hour, and see who comes in to buy lottery tickets.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea...but let's call it what it really is.


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John Milner
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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Divert education money?

Seriously is that what the state of Alabama needs or any southern states?


You're talking about diverting lottery money that isn't even there.

Alabama politicians continue to look like backwood, bible thumping, hillbilly fools.

Alabama residents flock to the state line boarder convenience stores to buy lottery tickets. They pay to help fund education and resources for other state's children, while they stand on their hypocritical "morals".


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pvilleguru
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
100% in favor of it. I just wish it was an increase of more than 10 cents.
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John Milner
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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Just legalize the lottery.



Or, as I like to call it, a state tax on stupid people. Or uneducated people, poor people...whatever.


That stupid tax helped to fund a hell of a lot of resources to my children's schools in Georgia, then paid for their college educations. I'm pretty sure it helps kids go to college that, in Alabama, might not be able to afford it. So who's the stupid?


John Milner
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
I've lived in Georgia most of my life, but I also own property in Alabama. I pay more property tax on a rental house and half acre lot in Georgia than I do for a house and 220 acres in Alabama. You want to increase revenue? Charge a reasonable rate for property tax, and quit affording so called farmers so many tax breaks.


coachcrisp
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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You want to increase revenue? Charge a reasonable rate for property tax, and quit affording so called farmers so many tax breaks.
That'll never happen. Every homeowner in Alabama would take up torches and pitchforks over that! Every rural state has taxes that are too high, AND too low....but try to equalize them and see what'll happen.
If Ivey was smart, she'd tell the voters that the state needed to either raise the gas tax, or build a series of toll bridges over the state to pay for the infrastructure, THEN she'd get her bump.


pvilleguru
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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or build a series of toll bridges over the state to pay for the infrastructure
Already planning to toll in Mobile.


John Milner
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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You want to increase revenue? Charge a reasonable rate for property tax, and quit affording so called farmers so many tax breaks.

That'll never happen. Every homeowner in Alabama would take up torches and pitchforks over that!


So the residents of Alabama won't pass the lottery because of a hypocritical moral superiority, and they won't pay a reasonable property tax because, well because. So you get what you got.


coachcrisp
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
Yep. Everybody wants a tax that other folks are gonna pay!


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coachcrisp
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Member since Jun 2012
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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or build a series of toll bridges over the state to pay for the infrastructure
Already planning to toll in Mobile.
Let'em get a taste of that, then run the "tax" idea at'em...they'll pass it.


phil4bama
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
The lottery is paying for a LOT of kids in Georgia and Florida to go to college with either reduced or zero tuition thanks to Bright Scholars money. Some of those kids couldn’t go any other way and Alabama is helping pay for them.

Property tax in Alabama is stupidly, ridiculously low and you aren’t going to hurt the single homeowner very much or even large farmers. US Steel, Jim Walter, and other huge corporations own thousands of acres in Alabama. They would be the ones hit hardest by a property tax increase to levels commensurate with other states. That would make the most sense but that is why it won’t happen. Those companies lobby enough to make sure it doesn’t happen but it should.


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