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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
Posted on 3/3/19 at 9:16 am to phil4bama
Posted on 3/3/19 at 9:16 am to phil4bama
quote:Property tax on a $500,000 house in Tuscaloosa is about $1650 and about $4500 in Pensacola, fl. You don't think that's a significant difference?
Property tax in Alabama is stupidly, ridiculously low and you aren’t going to hurt the single homeowner very much
That's a lot of lottery tickets!
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 9:18 am
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Posted on 3/3/19 at 9:25 am to coachcrisp
There’s no way you raise it to Florida levels. That WOULD hurt and it would be ridiculous. But Florida has no income tax and our sales tax rates haven’t reached the astronomical double digits Jefferson County and some other places have. Also, we don’t tack sales tax on every damn thing that is sold, like groceries for instance.
But a 50% increase in property taxes in Alabama would make a lot of sense
But a 50% increase in property taxes in Alabama would make a lot of sense
Posted on 3/3/19 at 10:11 am to phil4bama
Florida's property tax ranks only 26th (in the middle) nationally. Fla. sales taxes, on the whole, are moderate, and there's NO sales tax on food. The problem with rural states is they have few attractions to pull out-of-state travelers so they can charges the high bed taxes and gas taxes. Alabamans would howl if they had to pay what Florida folks have to pay for gas!...like I said, some taxes are too high and some are too low. I own property in both Alabama and Florida, and can tell you that BOTH have their advantages and disadvantages...but you can forget about trying to raise Alabama property taxes....right or wrong, it ain't gonna happen! 
PS- And why would an industry-poor state want to raise property taxes for perspective industries to consider?
PS- And why would an industry-poor state want to raise property taxes for perspective industries to consider?
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:37 am to phil4bama
Pretty sure it's been proven that the lottery school funding NY, Georgia, Florida and others are a complete waste and ultimately ineffective.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:43 am to Lordofwrath88
Legalize and tax weed while you're at it.
Switched to zero-based budgeting. In addition to tolls, try congestion pricing. Leaders need to be innovative, not do the same asinine isht.
As for education, not everyone needs to go to college. H3ll, we might soon reach a point where college is a waste of time with automation possibly replacing even white collar jobs. We need to focus on entrepreneurship and critical thinking. Charter schools would've been great back in the 70s-90s but now with the internet, education is more efficient/avaiable (equal!) and free in alot of instances. Schools need to switch to flip school model (learning at home while doing homework/discussion at school).
Switched to zero-based budgeting. In addition to tolls, try congestion pricing. Leaders need to be innovative, not do the same asinine isht.
As for education, not everyone needs to go to college. H3ll, we might soon reach a point where college is a waste of time with automation possibly replacing even white collar jobs. We need to focus on entrepreneurship and critical thinking. Charter schools would've been great back in the 70s-90s but now with the internet, education is more efficient/avaiable (equal!) and free in alot of instances. Schools need to switch to flip school model (learning at home while doing homework/discussion at school).
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 11:47 am
Posted on 3/3/19 at 11:43 am to Lordofwrath88
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Last year alone, lottery games generated $1.1 billion for education in Georgia.
That doesn't seem ineffective
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Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:08 pm to RollTide4Ever
quote:I'm 100% against tolls.
In addition to tolls
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:08 pm to RollTide4Ever
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H3ll, we might soon reach a point where college is a waste of time with automation possibly replacing even white collar jobs.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 12:42 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Switched to zero-based budgeting. In addition to tolls, try congestion pricing. Leaders need to be innovative, not do the same asinine isht.
As for education, not everyone needs to go to college. H3ll, we might soon reach a point where college is a waste of time with automation possibly replacing even white collar jobs. We need to focus on entrepreneurship and critical thinking. Charter schools would've been great back in the 70s-90s but now with the internet, education is more efficient/avaiable (equal!) and free in alot of instances. Schools need to switch to flip school model (learning at home while doing homework/discussion at school).
Those are some excellent ideas! Personally, I'd like to see more $$$ and attention go toward trade related occupations/education while combining community colleges with vocational schools to offer both basic academics while training for specific fields within the trades. If kid could get a basic business education while learning a skill, we'd see more entrepreneurs coming out of our young folks...and that's what this country really needs.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:20 pm to Lordofwrath88
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Pretty sure it's been proven that the lottery school funding NY, Georgia, Florida and others are a complete waste and ultimately ineffective.
That's b.s. I know firsthand that it helps the schools, helps the parents, and helps the student that keeps his grades up.
And Crisp, I also own property in Florida but I didn't compare Alabama to Florida for a specific reason, but it's not reasonable that Alabama property tax is so much cheaper than Georgia.
As another poster noted, the timber companies in Alabama profit more, relative to what they contribute to Alabama's economy. Note that I didn't say they don't contribute, but they profit more relative to what they contribute. They get these huge breaks because they...cough cough...contribute to the lawmakers and politicians. So the holier than thou politicians can thump their bible about the lottery and in turn accept corrupt bribes from big timber companies.
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:36 pm to pvilleguru
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I'm 100% against tolls.
Why? Tolls seem to raise a disproportionate amount from out of state visitors while an increase in the gas tax will hurt residents more.
When I lived several months in Florida, I spent less in tolls than I did just driving to the Orange Bowl this year. Imo that's what anyone living in the state should want.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:44 pm to John Milner
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That's b.s. I know firsthand that it helps the schools, helps the parents, and helps the student that keeps his grades up.
More helps the above average student and hurts the best students.
I was a national merit scholar from Tennessee. I had a much worse scholarship offer from UTK than UA. Also, makes scholarship offers to out of state students worse.
UA is able to get a lot of these good students from other states in large part because lotteries in those states water down the scholarships for the best students.
Whether UA's strategy actually benefits the state, is another discussion, but "Helps the student that keeps his grades up" isn't entirely true. It helps some students and hurts others. I felt sort of ripped off that UTK gave me an only marginally better package than kids with a solid ACT like a 28.
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/3/19 at 1:56 pm to John Milner
quote:Well is it reasonable for Ga. and Fla. to have nearly the same rate(.91% to .98%)? Florida and Georgia are next to each other nationally in R.E. tax rates (25th and 26th)....plus Fla. (as has been noted) has NO state income tax. I'd say Georgia has the legitimate bitch here if anyone does.
And Crisp, I also own property in Florida but I didn't compare Alabama to Florida for a specific reason, but it's not reasonable that Alabama property tax is so much cheaper than Georgia.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 2:18 pm to TomRollTideRitter
I'm against having to pay extra to drive on any public road. It will just help congestion a little, and while everyone benefits from the extra roadway, only small percentage of the drivers pay it. Then they hire private companies to run the tolls, so a private company is making money from it even after it's built. It's bullshite.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 2:33 pm to Lordofwrath88
Yeah, the lottery is a cancer on the state, and it's educatonal excuse is even more sinister
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investigation into government spending in the 24 states that dedicate lottery funds for education, yields a stunningly bad report card
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Lottery's provided no additional funding in 21 out of 24 states. As math students in one of the those state would put it.... that's 50%
Posted on 3/3/19 at 2:37 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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TomRollTideRitter
There is no doubt about the fact that the lottery provides resources that benefit every single student. I had daughter that started school in Georgia before the lottery was enacted, and had several years left after it was enacted. I also have a son that attended public school after the lottery was enacted. The additional resources those schools received after the lottery was kind of amazing. I saw it first hand.
Oh yeah, and I also remember that a lot of Georgia residents were thumping that Bible before the lottery same as a lot of Alabama residents do now. That sure didn't prevent their kids from benefiting from the proceeds.
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 3/3/19 at 3:14 pm to John Milner
I'm not arguing against a lottery. I support it if for nothing else because the state's losing that money to other states anyways.
I'm saying I don't agree with the statement that it, "Helps kids that keep their grades up" - referring to the scholarship. At least in Tennessee, it just socialized scholarships amongst good students, hurting the best students.
I'm saying I don't agree with the statement that it, "Helps kids that keep their grades up" - referring to the scholarship. At least in Tennessee, it just socialized scholarships amongst good students, hurting the best students.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 3:31 pm to pvilleguru
Why? If you use a resource, you should pay for it.
Posted on 3/3/19 at 3:32 pm to coachcrisp
I like what Germany and Singapore does. The latter doesn't believe in a safety net, they believe in a "safety trampoline."
Posted on 3/3/19 at 3:37 pm to RollTide4Ever
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Why? If you use a resource, you should pay for it.
Because it helps everyone. Why should only a few people pay for it?
Also, if it isn't tolled, then it helps everyone even more.
This post was edited on 3/3/19 at 3:43 pm
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