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Lordofwrath88
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And yet, a REPUBLICAN is proposing a lottery with revenues splitting between education and the general fund.




ostensibly a massive tax on mostly the poorest in the state, you'd think the GOP would be leading the lottery parade.


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RollTide4Ever
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From that same link:

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• The late John Ogbu, professor of anthropology at Berkeley, believed that broad cultural attributes among blacks — such as parental style, commitment to learning, and work ethic — bear a heavy responsibility for the black-white educational gap. Ogbu wrote in his recent book, Black American Students in an Affluent Suburb: A Study of Academic Disengagement, that black students in the affluent homes of doctors and lawyers are looking at rappers in ghettos as their role models. Students talk the talk about what it takes to be a good student, Ogbu wrote, but few put forth the effort required to get good grades. This type of behavior is typical, Ogbu said, of racial minorities adapting to oppression and the lack of opportunity. Ogbu, much as Bill Cosby has done recently, also placed the blame on black parents. He believed that many black parents are not offering sufficient guidance, do not spend enough time helping with homework, and do not pay adequate attention to their children's educational progress.



Basically, it's culture (values, priorities, etc.) than race. Thomas Sowell has written extensively on fallacies about IQ backed up with hard data and evidence. Black soldiers from north (esp. NYC) tested higher than white soldiers from the south on army-provided tests over half a century ago. The IQ scores for Jewish immigrants at the beginning of the 20th century were so bad that the stereotype was Jewish people were dumb. Within a generation, Jewish Americans destroyed that myth by producing so many award winners like Jonas Salk---this in spite of the fact that Ivy League schools and other so-called high esteemed institutions excluded Jews. That's why many Noble prize winners came from CUNY.

In England, West Indian immigrants do better than poor whites whose ancestors have always been in England.
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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
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Basically, it's culture (values, priorities, etc.) than race. Thomas Sowell has written extensively on fallacies about IQ backed up with hard data and evidence. Black soldiers from north (esp. NYC) tested higher than white soldiers from the south on army-provided tests over half a century ago. The IQ scores for Jewish immigrants at the beginning of the 20th century were so bad that the stereotype was Jewish people were dumb. Within a generation, Jewish Americans destroyed that myth by producing so many award winners like Jonas Salk---this in spite of the fact that Ivy League schools and other so-called high esteemed institutions excluded Jews. That's why many Noble prize winners came from CUNY. In England, West Indian immigrants do better than poor whites whose ancestors have always been in England. This post was edited on 3/13 at 7:19 pm


You cited one man's theory about the racial disparity, but I saw no empirical support for his theory. I think regression to the IQ mean is a more likely cause. As for that study regarding Black soldiers up North vs Whites down South, yes, there was a disparity there in favor of the more well educated Blacks. But when you compare educated lower income Whites with educated upper income Blacks, the former do better. And Ivy League schools did not exclude Jews, by the early 20th century, they just imposed limits to prevent the kind of extreme over representation of Jews in the Ivy League that we see today, one mind you, that can not be explained to higher avg IQ. The over-representation is so extreme, and the Jewish dominance in Ivy League administrations is so large, that ethnic nepotism is a far more likely cause. West Indian immigrants are THE smartest people from the West Indies, not the typical West Indies person.


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re: Off Topic: Governor Ivey's proposed gas tax increase
I spent part of my childhood in Monserrat (sp?) and St. Lucia and observed West Indians were usually hard-working and entrepreneurial. The schools also didn't play, what they used for discipline would scare most Americans.

Back to topic, you're insinuating that genetics (i.e. race) matters. Basically, a white person from the Canary Islands (1600s) would have a higher IQ than a black person in Madrid or Venice. Generally-speaking, that would be absurd.


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InGAButLoveBama


So like, what do you do when your Klan rally and NSDAP rally are scheduled for the same time?


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It HAS to start at home.


What is different in black homes than white homes?

Last I checked, both blacks and whites in this state both attend church on Sunday and have varying levels of family dysfunction (drugs, alcohol, divorce, etc).
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Lordofwrath88
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RollTide4Ever
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LOL @ going to church as a factor. How big is Christianity (or religion to begin with) in Japan? South Korea?


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