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re: Let's rank the starting QBs of the Saban Era...
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:47 pm to The Silverback
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:47 pm to The Silverback
AJ was a fantastic college quarterback.
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 5:54 pm to The Silverback
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Don’t forget that AJ had ice water in his veins in that 2011 national championship.
Don't forget Kevin Norwood. Dude was clutch AF.
That LSU team had Jarvis Landry, Odell Beckham Jr, and Reuben Randle. They had a combined 53 yards. Odell had 38 on 5 catches, Reuben had 13 on 3 catches, Jarvis had 0 and 0.
Thank God for Les Miles and Jefferson.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 9:27 pm to UASports23
Les sure knew how to waste offensive talent
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:59 pm to The Silverback
I mean by points per game the 2020 offense does rank better. Tua gave us 2017 and I will never forget that game. I appreciate Tua, but I feel like his family was kind of weird and they just expected Tualia to start no questions asked. That doesn't happen, you earn your starting spot.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:07 am to The Spleen
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McCarron likely leads us to 3 national championships.
People say things like this a lot regarding the 2013 team, but FSU was pretty dang good that year.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:49 am to The Spleen
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It's well known Tua was deciding where to go with the ball pre snap because he couldn't read the field- am I supposed to forget that or not mention it ?
I mean, it's pretty much why the Clemson D ate his lunch in the national championship game in 2018.
That is 100% correct. I freaking love Tua, he brought us something we hadn’t seen in a good bit of time and we all loved him. 2 and 26 was amazing but it’s also where it stopped. Mac of the 2 is the better overall QB and the metrics back that up along with the eye test.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:50 am to Globetrotter747
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McCarron likely leads us to 3 national championships.
People say things like this a lot regarding the 2013 team, but FSU was pretty dang good that year.
We would have lost to FSU for more than 1 reason but mainly we were having DB issues and no one on our team would have shut Benjamin down.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:29 am to CrimsonBoz
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Mac of the 2 is the better overall QB and the metrics back that up along with the eye test.
so I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy: Did Saban and Sarkisian make a mistake starting Tua rather than Jones?
I'd like to be there if somebody asked Saban that question.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:19 am to BLG
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so I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy: Did Saban and Sarkisian make a mistake starting Tua rather than Jones?
I'd like to be there if somebody asked Saban that question.
I don't have a firm opinion on the Mac vs Tua thing, but I do think that Mac of August 2019 was not the same QB as Mac of August 2020. He took a long time to sync up physically and mentally. You saw glimpses of it in the Auburn game and then the Bowl in 2019, but he was at another level in 2020 with precision.
So, I think some guys get better, and Mac kept getting better. I don't really think you can argue he "should have" played in front of Tua for 100 different reasons, mainly because I don't think he was as good in 2018/2019 as he was in 2020.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I do think that Mac of August 2019 was not the same QB as Mac of August 2020
That's fine and well but some posters said Jones was better than Tua, with no qualifiers. If we're going to go all hypothetical we should consider how good Tua would have been had he not been so often injured, and how good a healthy Tua would have been in 2020, Mac's year. I mean, he pretty much played injured since the middle of his sophomore season. Just because he played doesn't mean he was always totally healthy. In spite of the injuries, he's still the ncaa career leader in pass efficiency.
I am pretty sure Nick Saban, Steve Sarkisian, and the coaching staff knew who was the better quarterback those years.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 9:38 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:37 am to BLG
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I am pretty sure Nick Saban, Steve Sarkisian, and the coaching staff knew who was the better quarterback those years.
No doubt
Posted on 8/4/21 at 9:57 am to BLG
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so I'll ask you the same thing I asked the other guy: Did Saban and Sarkisian make a mistake starting Tua rather than Jones?
I don't think so. Tua was obviously extremely talented, and nobody could've foreseen his injury problems, which were ultimately his undoing.
Sometimes players don't really come on until you make them a starter, and give them all the attention and reps. Some players play better in games than in practice.
QBs are especially hard to judge.
You can really only blame the coaches on a QB decision when one guy is clearly struggling, and the guy on the bench is flat-out better.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:00 am to UASports23
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Don't forget Kevin Norwood. Dude was clutch AF.
That LSU team had Jarvis Landry, Odell Beckham Jr, and Reuben Randle. They had a combined 53 yards. Odell had 38 on 5 catches, Reuben had 13 on 3 catches, Jarvis had 0 and 0.
Thank God for Les Miles and Jefferson.
Don't forget Marquis Maze dragging his nuts across the honey badger all game, and getting up in his grill.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:22 am to CrimsonClover
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Don't forget Marquis Maze dragging his nuts across the honey badger all game, and getting up in his grill.
Didn't Maze pull a muscle on the first punt return and not return to the game?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:25 am to The Spleen
Yea I think he's thinking of Dre after we stuffed Badger on a punt return
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:22 am to SummerOfGeorge
It’s really difficult to rank Saban era QBs because they have evolved and he obviously has recruited better in recent years.
The early QBs benefited from great defense and weren’t asked to do much, except make good decisions.
I don’t like comparing Tua’s statistics because he barely played in any fourth quarter. He should have won the heisman and, in my opinion, would have if he had run up his stats like Murray.
Jalen (and Blake to some extent) were victims of circumstances beyond their control. Jalen in particular would have been a better QB, had he had time to develop his passing skills. Instead, he was forced into the starting role too soon.
I loved the intangibles of AJ, Jake and Mac, they are winners and want the team on their shoulders at crunch time.
And here’s a shout out to my favorite….Steadman Shealy!
The early QBs benefited from great defense and weren’t asked to do much, except make good decisions.
I don’t like comparing Tua’s statistics because he barely played in any fourth quarter. He should have won the heisman and, in my opinion, would have if he had run up his stats like Murray.
Jalen (and Blake to some extent) were victims of circumstances beyond their control. Jalen in particular would have been a better QB, had he had time to develop his passing skills. Instead, he was forced into the starting role too soon.
I loved the intangibles of AJ, Jake and Mac, they are winners and want the team on their shoulders at crunch time.
And here’s a shout out to my favorite….Steadman Shealy!
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:38 am to hnds2th
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It’s really difficult to rank Saban era QBs because they have evolved and he obviously has recruited better in recent years.
The early QBs benefited from great defense and weren’t asked to do much, except make good decisions.
Yep, absolutely agree. Their jobs, systems and talent around them (in relative QB stat helping terms) have changed dramatically.
WR/TE drafted in first 3 rounds
> First 7 Drafts (2008-2014) : 1 (Julio Jones)
> Last 7 Drafts (2015-2021) : 9 (Amari Cooper, OJ Howard, ArDarius Stewart, Calvin Ridley, Irv Smith Jr, Henry Ruggs, Jerry Jeudy, Jaylen Waddle, DeVonta Smith)
It's hard to compare the guys who were throwing to Julio/Coop + Maze, Hanks, McCoy, Smelley, Norwood, Bell, C. Jones to the guys that were throwing to Jeudy, Ruggs, Metchie, Irv, Howard, Waddle and DeVonta all in combination........not to mention running offenses geared around throwing the ball.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 11:44 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:02 pm to Bama Bird
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Edit: lots of downvotes with no comments. I'm more than happy to defend this
Defend this then:
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Coker- he served his role and didn't 'lose' any games for us
Were you 14 years old in 2015? No one with at least two functioning brain cells and who saw the Auburn and Clemson games would say this. Go back and watch his TD pass to Ardarius Stewart aganst Auburn, and then come back and try to defend your bullshite.
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Blake Sims- I don't know how it even got this bad for us that we had to play him
...after watching his highlights from 2014, especially Auburn and Florida.
You've got McCarron #2, yet Sims broke McCarron's single-season passing record. But it was "bad" that we "had to play him."
Your comments aren't even remotely intelligent.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:08 pm to CrimsonClover
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It's hard to be an OC in the playoffs when your QB can't throw the ball, as we saw with Sims AND Hurts
Kindly explain how in the ever-loving frick a guy can break AJ McCarron's school passing records if he can't throw the ball.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:10 pm to CrimsonClover
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I don't get the warm memories of Blake Sims.
Probably because you were only 12 years old at the time.
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