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re: Jesus is so real guys!! Merry Christmas!!!
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:30 am to Globetrotter747
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:30 am to Globetrotter747
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Jesus is so real guys!! Merry Christmas!!!
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Besides, religion didn't prove evolution to be factually wrong, scientists did all the heavy lifting.
I'm curious as to your explanation for the origin and diversity of life on Earth. Would you kindly share it with us? In detail, please
God created a number of animal kinds. K9s, felines, birds, reptiles and so forth. These mated within their kind and natural limited variations provided for some to have a little different characteristics. Some dogs have longer fur. Others shorter. They have differences in snout length, eye color, thickness of coat, leg length, etc. As the animals migrate, those with long and thick white colored coats survive better in snowy environments. Soon those without are no longer present. When animals breed out a characteristic they can become a new species, but they are still of the same kind. Wolves and domesticated dogs are different species but both are k9s. The domesticated dog has lost characteristics of the wolf that can never be regained. Science shows us that new species form due to the loss of characteristics, not from an upward gaining of beneficial characteristics. In other words, new species come from devolution not evolution.
What we don’t see is a dog coming from a bird or a cat from a dog, etc. This type of speciation does not take that long to accomplish.
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Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:42 am to pvilleguru
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Holy shite. I almost forgot that some people don't believe in evolution.
Yep, it's right there with the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 11:54 am to bamameister
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Yep, it's right there with the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny.
This is the sad thing about democracy: your vote is equal to mine.
A willfully uninformed, shockingly ignorant person like yourself has the same voting power as an educated, informed person. This realization is a shock to one's system.
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Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:01 pm to prevatt33b
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A willfully uninformed, shockingly ignorant person like yourself has the same voting power as an educated, informed person
One must never make the mistake of equating education to intelligence.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:02 pm to prevatt33b
Oh. If we could only be like you.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:02 pm to prevatt33b
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This is the sad thing about democracy: your vote is equal to mine.
A willfully uninformed, shockingly ignorant person like yourself has the same voting power as an educated, informed person. This realization is a shock to one's system
Say what? What in the world does a theory at best have to do with democracy? Either you buy evolution or you don't. Your values and beliefs are either shaped by evidence, facts, or you would rather lazily question the other side's motives instead.
Tell you what, you tell me why evolution is a fact and I'll "show" you why you're wrong. Nothing more democratic that a fair debate.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:06 pm to bamameister
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Say what? What in the world does a theory at best have to do with democracy? Either you buy evolution or you don't. Your values and beliefs are either shaped by evidence, facts, or you would rather lazily question the other side's motives instead.
Tell you what, you tell me why evolution is a fact and I'll "show" you why you're wrong. Nothing more democratic that a fair debate.
^^^^^. This. Nothing worse than an appeal to arrogance. Prevatt, you claim to be a rational and dispassionate lover of truth and only the truth. Bring forth your proof of evolution and divine right of greater voting weight.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:11 pm to FWBFLlaw
"We can only tolerate one point of view as we fill up a football board with religious posts and references. If you don't subscribe to that you point of view, you are stupid and should drown in the ocean"
Lmao
Lmao
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:23 pm to bamameister
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Hey, easy now. All the “Goddidit” mockery stuff is nothing more than, “I don't like what you say about evolution/atheism, etc., so I wave off your arguments as easy believism” and it is the definition of intellectual laziness.
I approach evolution the very same way that I do every other form of science. There are things we know, things we don't know, and things we may never know. I believe we should persist in seeking natural explanations because that route has given us the answer to everything we know scientifically.
I think modern creationism is no different from people thousands of years ago attributing things like thunder and lightning to deities. Eventually those phenomena were explained by smart people who persisted in finding answers. And while evolution has plenty of evidence and really only faces contention from hardcore fundamentalists, I suspect even that demographic will move on from primitive thinking at some point.
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TOE has some very serious issues that even it’s most ardent supporters will acknowledge. “Scientists are hard at work finding evidence to prop up their ideas” is scientifically lazy. No where else are scientists allowed to state something as fact and then look for corroborating evidence. The fact is, there are a lot of fossils, but they all come to us fully formed. Out of all the trillions of mutations needed to reach even a small beneficial change, we ought to have something. The odds would be overwhelmingly more likely that a fossil WOULD show signs of transition than not. But here we stand, against all odds, with not just limited exhibits, but zero.
You talk about a so-called lack of transition fossils, which I don't think is true but am more interested in your particular position at the moment. Is your alternative to speciation that a deity periodically creates distinct species and turns them loose on Earth kind of like someone might stock a fish pond? Has anyone witnessed a deity introducing species this way?
Honest question.
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The whole universe shows us devolution not evolution. The universe is winding DOWN and falling apart. The sun is dying. The earth is dying. Over time it will stop spinning. Leave a VW out in the elements and it will fall apart, not turn into a Mercedes. Mankind grows old and dies. Why is it we suddenly think that nature and time is supposed to improve animals into better ones when it destroys everything else?
This is the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics argument.
First of all, stars and planets are created all the time. You can look through a powerful telescope and see stars forming, just like ours once did.
Second, life on Earth can flourish because we receive energy from an outside source, the Sun. Take it away and we all will die eventually. We are not living in a closed system.
We exist because of gas and dust, gravity, nuclear fission, and an immense amount of time. That's the recipe for the creation of a star, which in turn creates heavier elements that form planets and (in at least one case) life.
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As for my keys, I never think that a gremlin stole them. I know that I have misplaced them. Perhaps you have run across some other religions that believe such, but if you are attributing such to Christianity then you need to seriously re-examine what you know about It.
My point is I think you only tout the supernatural in this case because it goes along with your religious beliefs and personal need for a more satisfying answer to the big questions. I don't think the lack of evidence is the real reason for your contention on this subject.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:25 pm to bamagreycoat
quote:That's questionable at best.
Even a demon knows GOD exists.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:34 pm to LovetheLord
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What we don’t see is a dog coming from a bird or a cat from a dog, etc. This type of speciation does not take that long to accomplish.
So what's your explanation for why many species that existed in the distant past (like dinosaurs) do not exist today and many that exist today (like lions) did not exist in the distant past?
Does God come along every so often and just toss out new fully formed species? Is it possible that God might introduce various megafauna tomorrow that just appear in heards out of nowhere? Or were all of the species ever "created" introduced at the same time and those still around have simply outlived the others?
I'm curious. Give me the details.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:42 pm to LovetheLord
"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a position he was not reasoned into." -Jonathan Swift
Lordy, I like you. I had a good time arguing last night. However, I'm done with this discussion. You, and people like you, cannot be convinced because you desire to believe what you believe. Last night, I gave you examples of actually-discovered transitional fossils, and you said that these examples don't exist. But here's the problem. They do exist.
And so I cannot and will not attempt to have an intelligent conversation with a person who literally sticks their head in the sand and says, "LaLaLa. That's not real. It doesn't exist." when presented with clear, factual, tangible evidence to the contrary of their position.
I wish you well and support your right to believe whatever you want. But I disagree wholeheartedly and sleep well knowing I'm on the side of the evidence. Take care, friend.
Lordy, I like you. I had a good time arguing last night. However, I'm done with this discussion. You, and people like you, cannot be convinced because you desire to believe what you believe. Last night, I gave you examples of actually-discovered transitional fossils, and you said that these examples don't exist. But here's the problem. They do exist.
And so I cannot and will not attempt to have an intelligent conversation with a person who literally sticks their head in the sand and says, "LaLaLa. That's not real. It doesn't exist." when presented with clear, factual, tangible evidence to the contrary of their position.
I wish you well and support your right to believe whatever you want. But I disagree wholeheartedly and sleep well knowing I'm on the side of the evidence. Take care, friend.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:51 pm to prevatt33b
How many sign off posts will we have in this thread lol?
Just giving you shite. This was a great thread honestly and I enjoyed reading it. Way out of my wheelhouse as my area focuses on American History and Antiquity.
Just giving you shite. This was a great thread honestly and I enjoyed reading it. Way out of my wheelhouse as my area focuses on American History and Antiquity.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:53 pm to Globetrotter747
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I think modern creationism is no different from people thousands of years ago attributing things like thunder and lightning to deities. Eventually those phenomena were explained by smart people who persisted in finding answers. And while evolution has plenty of evidence and really only faces contention from hardcore fundamentalists, I suspect even that demographic will move on from primitive thinking at some point.
Another mythology instigated by the many fables of higher learning. No religious training is necessary to use "real" science to debunk evolution. And many an honest "scientist" has exercised that very option. It would be very dishonest for anyone to suggest that "evolutionists" and "scientists" are always the same people.
As you mentioned, there are many things about science that is yet to be understood and interpreted properly. But thinking about the wealth of factual info that science has given us could be plenty in bringing us to a logical, unbias conclusion. Provided, that's the direction we're interested in going, to begin with.
And that's a big deal, cause history says folks are a lot more interested in how they feel than what they actually know.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:54 pm to CrimsonBoz
Despite the US currently being a turd of a country in so, so, so many ways, it's history is fascinating and unique.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:23 pm to prevatt33b
I absolutely agree with you about this being a “turd of a country”. I firmly believe that there is divine wrath heading this way within the lives of our youngest generation Z. I’m not going to argue the existence of YAHWEH he doesn’t need a shite bird sinner like me to do that. I’ll stick to football on our board.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:26 pm to Globetrotter747
Do you really not think that big cats existed in antiquity? Lions are evidence of animals shifting within parameters within a kind, in this case felines. Dinosaurs by all of our knowledge were reptiles. Very large reptiles. For whatever reason they were not able to survive. That is not a point that I can not see being either here nor there.
As for new species and God, you are trying to misrepresent the process so that it will seem absurd. No, God does not throw a new species down from heaven. He created in the beginning, and set into motion the means by which variations in kind came about.
But, let’s consider your worldview now for a moment. Does time and random dumb chance just throw out newly formed species? Why would that not be equally silly. The reality is that both of us are supernaturalists. That is, we both believe things that go against science and observation. Take for instance the origins of the universe. I believe that God is an uncaused, infinite, eternal and all powerful being who existed prior to the universe and gave rise to it out of nothing. You and other atheists, which, by the way, I do not believe truly exist, would poo poo such an “unscientific” idea as that. Yet on the other hand, how do you explain origins? Uncaused, eternal matter, acted upon by an uncaused eternal and infinite power of time and chance and gravity, give rise to order out of chaos. If I ask you where does the matter come from, you would have to descend into an infinite regress and eventually say, it has no beginning or cause, it just exists. Well, wow! You are now a super naturalist, because, when have we ever seen something come from nothing...that is, just exist. At least I admit that I am a supernaturalist, and I have reasonable explanation for how order came from chaos - an intelligent, sentient and powerful being acted upon it.
You are starting to catch on to the flow of things. There are fauna that have outlived others. They have certain characteristics that allow them to survive in their environment. The house cat, being small and capable of domestication, is likely to out exist the lion in a civilized society, since we tend to kill dangerous predators. In a non-civilized world, the lion may out exist the small cat that is unable to kill large prey and also stands as prey itself.
As far as size is concerned, these changes are usually going to be slower. A Saint Bernard cannot be bred from a small dog in one even two generations. Furthermore, a Saint Bernard cannot be bred from a Chihuahua at all, no matter how long. The Chihuahua has lost the genetic capacity to have certain things that a Saint Bernard has via the breeding out of dominant and recessive genes.
As for new species and God, you are trying to misrepresent the process so that it will seem absurd. No, God does not throw a new species down from heaven. He created in the beginning, and set into motion the means by which variations in kind came about.
But, let’s consider your worldview now for a moment. Does time and random dumb chance just throw out newly formed species? Why would that not be equally silly. The reality is that both of us are supernaturalists. That is, we both believe things that go against science and observation. Take for instance the origins of the universe. I believe that God is an uncaused, infinite, eternal and all powerful being who existed prior to the universe and gave rise to it out of nothing. You and other atheists, which, by the way, I do not believe truly exist, would poo poo such an “unscientific” idea as that. Yet on the other hand, how do you explain origins? Uncaused, eternal matter, acted upon by an uncaused eternal and infinite power of time and chance and gravity, give rise to order out of chaos. If I ask you where does the matter come from, you would have to descend into an infinite regress and eventually say, it has no beginning or cause, it just exists. Well, wow! You are now a super naturalist, because, when have we ever seen something come from nothing...that is, just exist. At least I admit that I am a supernaturalist, and I have reasonable explanation for how order came from chaos - an intelligent, sentient and powerful being acted upon it.
You are starting to catch on to the flow of things. There are fauna that have outlived others. They have certain characteristics that allow them to survive in their environment. The house cat, being small and capable of domestication, is likely to out exist the lion in a civilized society, since we tend to kill dangerous predators. In a non-civilized world, the lion may out exist the small cat that is unable to kill large prey and also stands as prey itself.
As far as size is concerned, these changes are usually going to be slower. A Saint Bernard cannot be bred from a small dog in one even two generations. Furthermore, a Saint Bernard cannot be bred from a Chihuahua at all, no matter how long. The Chihuahua has lost the genetic capacity to have certain things that a Saint Bernard has via the breeding out of dominant and recessive genes.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:28 pm to CrimsonBoz
How far back into antiquity do you go. Study that is. I don’t think you are ancient. 
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:37 pm to LovetheLord
Mostly Roman and really only specific Military Campaigns and Events. Roman Civil War, most major campaigns, and some individuals. Greek I like but never focused completely on it.
My dissertation was on how runaway slaves from the Carolina Low Country influenced British Military tactics in the 1700’s. Just to give an idea on specifics lol.
My dissertation was on how runaway slaves from the Carolina Low Country influenced British Military tactics in the 1700’s. Just to give an idea on specifics lol.
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:41 pm to CrimsonBoz
Boz Amazon Prime has some outstanding Roman history series and documentaries.
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