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This is a ridiculous thing to believe, even for a Christian. There are hundreds (maybe thousands) of archeological sites with HUMAN remains that date older than 10,000 years. Hell, there are sites in the Western Hemisphere that date to 35,000 years ago. The famous cave paintings in France are at least 44,000 years old.

Thinking life arrived on Earth less than 10,000 years ago is cartoonishly naive...and just plain crazy.

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These dating techniques are very flawed. I think it's crazy to put faith in them.

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Do you believe the Earth and Universe are approximately 5,000-10,000 years old too?

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I don’t think. I know. The Creator of it all told me so.

Well, I actually believe that when God crested the earth, He did as a mature planet with mature plants and animals. Genesis describes Adam naming the creatures as God brought them by. So, it is logical to think that they we older creatures and plants. This would allow for some of the mountains, caves, etc. to be “dated” at an older date while still being created 5,000-10,000 years ago.

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These dating techniques are very flawed. I think it's crazy to put faith in them.

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Now this is what really pisses me off about some of you ignorant Conservatives - you take your lack of information and spew it forth as misinformation, and you end up telling blatant lies. How do I know you're a liar, Lordy? Because I majored in this at the university.

I took 400 level classes in this stuff. I have personally gone on archeological digs, and I have personally collected samples to be dated. I have personally volunteered at labs to assist in the dating process, and I have personally written papers on these dating techniques. I have personally studied under people whose PhD's were on this very topic. I know exactly what I'm talking about, and the process of dating things is a very accurate process. You just don't know how it works.

At a site, not every artifact can be dated. Maybe the bowl can't be dated, but the table can be. At another site the table can't be dated, but the bones can be. It depends on the object and its make-up, how long ago it was, and the recent geological climate around the time in that region.

Not all radio-isotopes are present everywhere at all times. Certain geological/cosmological events create these isotopes, and when they are present, they can be measured accurately, and using each radio-isotopes specific half-life, dating can be done very accurately.

Certain time periods can be dated accurately and certain others can't really be dated. For example, dating an object from 2.1 million years ago is easy, but dating something from 150,000 years ago is almost impossible because there are no radio isotopes whose half-life works for dating between 100k-200k years ago. And so that object can't be dated to 150,000 years, but the definitive window of 100,000-200,000 can be established with clarity. FYI, the last 100,000 years can be dated very accurately. Those cave drawings were definitely drawn by humans more than 37,000 years ago. Certain paintings definitely were painted almost 50,000 years ago, and the dating is clear, accurate, and cannot be disputed - and accurate to within a few thousand years or so. As a matter of fact, one painting was painted in a cave in France only 1,000 years ago. This stuff is that accurate. Hell, in the cave paintings, the damn pigment can be dated.

All of this is accurate, established science that cannot be refuted. Many, many objects can be dated to very good accuracy across billions of years. This is a fact. If you choose not to believe it, it's your fault. If you want to have a conversation with God about why the universe and Earth He created doesn't align with your interpretation of Genesis, be my guest.

But stop fricking spewing your ignorance and misinformation as if it's truth. Stop fricking lying. The Bible says don't do that, or did you miss that part?

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No, it's not. Your clutching at your religious pearls makes it an unacceptable truth for you.

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Oh haha that's not it at all. No matter how old the earth is doesn't change anything for my faith. That doesn't change the fact that radiometric dating is far from flawless, and definitely should not be relied on.

No sir. Radiogisotope dating's only flaw is contamination, which can be overcome with more samples and more testing. It's just expensive.

And radiogisotope dating is only ONE dating technique. There are many others, including Stratigraphy, typology, dendrochronology, and thermoluminescence. These are in addition to absolute dating, i.e. Radio-isotope dating.

And no, the results of these dating processes can't be refuted by religious texts. Using the cave paintings as an example, scientists can and do disagree about a painting being from 37,000 years ago versus 48,000 years ago, but no scientists are saying that the paintings aren't real or that these paintings were painted inside some crazy Biblical 10,000 period.

No scientists are saying that. And so yeah, ancient things being really ancient can be refuted.

But I gotta get out of this thread. I hate willful ignorance -it really pissies me off.

You guys can keep your voodoo beliefs.

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I hate willful ignorance -it really pissies me off

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Then you should stop blindly believing everything you've been fed about radiometric dating. The funny thing here is you are spouting claims that have never and can never be proven, yet you want us all to join you in your beliefs without any proof whatsoever. The reality is it doesn't really matter either way, but the evidence for radiometric dating certainly isn't as rock solid as you claim.

You may have gone on digs and done radiometric testing and such as an undergraduate, but you are still an overly emotional individual who cannot really defend what you claim is the irrefutable truth without resorting to childishly calling everyone who disagrees with you an idiot or posting Wikipedia citations. For freaks sake, you still think Archaeopteryx is a valid transitional fossil.

You have dabbled in archaeology, but you don’t have a good grasp of it, and you have accepted unquestioningly what your professors told you. Even when I was not a Christian and went along with Evolution, I still had enough logical power and intellectual integrity to see that stuff wasn’t lining up. In the end, I am not driven by what you or other self assessed elitists think of me. I care about truth.

Anyway, Globetrotter has you pegged. You ought to give up the charade that you are a Christian and accept that you are not. It would do you a lot of good as you are fooling yourself currently.

Anyway, I know you have signed off (for, what, the fourth time now) so I guess I will just do the same. Roll Tide