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Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:26 pm to LovetheLord
Posted on 1/1/20 at 11:26 pm to LovetheLord
Wanted to repost this, Luke, as this thread comes to a close, because I really wanted you to read it.
All the best,
Love the Lord
Luke, it sounds like God did more than meet you half way, brother. He watched over and preserved you while you were knee deep in drugs. You know, just as well as I did when I got saved, that you had been very rebellious against God and deserved not to have life and health but instead for Him to have cut you off years before and sent you to hell. But, God was gracious and merciful to you in spite of yourself and He revealed to you who He is and who you are - a sinner. That’s the incredible goodness of God.
I would like to give you some Scripture to begin meditating on and memorizing if that would be okay.
Romans 3:23. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. And are justified by His grace as a gift through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
Romans 4:7-8 Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.
Romans 8:1-2 Ther is therefore now no condemnation for hose who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free n Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
Romans 5:8 God shows His love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.
Isaiah 53:5 But He was pierced for our transgressions; He was crushed for our iniquities; upon Him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and by His wounds we are healed.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
Lamentations 3:22-23 The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness.
If you are in need of a place to worship and grow, let me know what area you live in and I will help get you involved in a good church in your area.
Blessings
All the best,
Love the Lord
Luke, it sounds like God did more than meet you half way, brother. He watched over and preserved you while you were knee deep in drugs. You know, just as well as I did when I got saved, that you had been very rebellious against God and deserved not to have life and health but instead for Him to have cut you off years before and sent you to hell. But, God was gracious and merciful to you in spite of yourself and He revealed to you who He is and who you are - a sinner. That’s the incredible goodness of God.
I would like to give you some Scripture to begin meditating on and memorizing if that would be okay.
Romans 3:23. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. And are justified by His grace as a gift through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
Romans 4:7-8 Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.
Romans 8:1-2 Ther is therefore now no condemnation for hose who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free n Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
Romans 5:8 God shows His love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.
Isaiah 53:5 But He was pierced for our transgressions; He was crushed for our iniquities; upon Him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and by His wounds we are healed.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
Lamentations 3:22-23 The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness.
If you are in need of a place to worship and grow, let me know what area you live in and I will help get you involved in a good church in your area.
Blessings
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Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:33 am to LovetheLord
Praise be
Edit, and blessed be the fruit
Edit, and blessed be the fruit
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 1:38 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 1:56 am to LovetheLord
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For freaks sake, you still think Archaeopteryx is a valid transitional fossil.
It is. Twelve specimens in total have been discovered on earth, mostly in the German region.
But invent whatever narrative you want. You were already going to do that anyway. Roll Tide.
This post was edited on 1/2/20 at 1:58 am
Posted on 1/2/20 at 3:56 am to LovetheLord
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I don’t think. I know. The Creator of it all told me so.
Well, there are a few easy reasons why I strongly disagree.
1. We know the speed of light in a vacuum is approximately 186,000 miles per second. At this speed, it takes light many millions of years to reach us from distant stars. If the Universe is only 10,000 years old, how are we able to see this light?
2. Africa and South America were once joined but are now about 5,000 miles apart due to the slow movement of continental plates. How did they get so far apart in only 10,000 years?
3. The Hawaiian Islands were formed by a fixed hot spot in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. The older islands are to the west and the younger ones are to the east as the Pacific Plate has rotated. The ones to the west are smaller due to erosion. There is another island being formed that will breach the surface several thousand years into the future. How do you reconcile this process with an Earth that's only 10,000 years old?
4. Crude oil is formed from the remains of ancient organisms that have been subjected to an immense amount of time and pressure. How was the world's oil supply created in the last 10,000 years?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:04 am to Globetrotter747
I appreciate the fact that you seem to have done some thinking on these matters. Your statements earlier about the need for sin to have entered the world prior to the presence of death was impressively spot on for someone who says that he is an atheist. I do have to wonder though, have you not researched the answers to the very questions that you posed above?
Anyway, I have a lot of other work that I must do. Let’s tackle one question at a time. Which question would you like answered firstt? We will work from there. List your most presssing question, tell me what research you have done so far to answer it and we will discuss.
Anyway, I have a lot of other work that I must do. Let’s tackle one question at a time. Which question would you like answered firstt? We will work from there. List your most presssing question, tell me what research you have done so far to answer it and we will discuss.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 8:17 am to LovetheLord
Aside from some mud-slinging, this may be the best thread on this board.
I really enjoyed Luke's story. I believe the lord can do those type of things.
I also enjoyed hearing the banter back and forth on evolution/creationism. Interesting commentary both ways.
One thing I had told to me regarding the lord is this: "The knowledge, complexity, and vast knowledge and power of the lord is so unfathomable, anything other than appreciating it is an exercise in futility."
I think the Bible tells a story that is digestible in content for humans to understand. I think the lord's grand plan spans billions of years across all universes. It's so large and complex it's daunting to think about. Seriously - look how small the earth is in our solar system. Then think about how small our solar system is.
The Bible tells us a story that is both true and relatable to us as humans. I do believe the Lord created the universe. I also think that his idea of "day," and ours are two totally separate ideas of time.
If you can accept that God knows everything, can do anything and is possible of orchestrating the most beautiful symphony of universes, then take his teachings and live a wonderful life. Some things just don't need to be explained. Do your part. Pray. Be kind. Give back. Don't judge others on their beliefs.
It's amazing when you travel how steadfast others are in their beliefs. Go to India. There are Buddhists and Muslims who are devout in their beliefs in the culture. I believe what I believe in the lord and his son, but I'm also not one to condemn those that never heard the good word, or also maintain lives as good people with a tradition and culture that has served them in a continuous timeline as well.
I really enjoyed Luke's story. I believe the lord can do those type of things.
I also enjoyed hearing the banter back and forth on evolution/creationism. Interesting commentary both ways.
One thing I had told to me regarding the lord is this: "The knowledge, complexity, and vast knowledge and power of the lord is so unfathomable, anything other than appreciating it is an exercise in futility."
I think the Bible tells a story that is digestible in content for humans to understand. I think the lord's grand plan spans billions of years across all universes. It's so large and complex it's daunting to think about. Seriously - look how small the earth is in our solar system. Then think about how small our solar system is.
The Bible tells us a story that is both true and relatable to us as humans. I do believe the Lord created the universe. I also think that his idea of "day," and ours are two totally separate ideas of time.
If you can accept that God knows everything, can do anything and is possible of orchestrating the most beautiful symphony of universes, then take his teachings and live a wonderful life. Some things just don't need to be explained. Do your part. Pray. Be kind. Give back. Don't judge others on their beliefs.
It's amazing when you travel how steadfast others are in their beliefs. Go to India. There are Buddhists and Muslims who are devout in their beliefs in the culture. I believe what I believe in the lord and his son, but I'm also not one to condemn those that never heard the good word, or also maintain lives as good people with a tradition and culture that has served them in a continuous timeline as well.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:07 am to LovetheLord
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I don’t think. I know. The Creator of it all told me so.
Does that mean that you biblically read it or you and the lord have something else going on?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:10 am to LovetheLord
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I appreciate the fact that you seem to have done some thinking on these matters. Your statements earlier about the need for sin to have entered the world prior to the presence of death was impressively spot on for someone who says that he is an atheist.
Anyone who wants to make an informed decision needs to know both sides of the issue very well.
IMO, the Christian cannot have it both ways. If you accept the existence of death before sin, the theology doesn't make sense. If you accept that sin brought death into the world, the science doesn't make sense.
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I do have to wonder though, have you not researched the answers to the very questions that you posed above?
Yes. I simply used those examples because I think they are easier for a layperson (which most people here, including myself, are) to visualize and understand than radiometric dating.
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Which question would you like answered firstt?
It doesn't matter.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:13 am to bamameister
I Biblically read it and the Holy Spirit, which has been given To me by God, speaks and confirms that the Bible is indeed the infallible Word of the Creator and is true in all that it says.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:14 am to Globetrotter747
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If you accept that sin brought death into the world, the science doesn't make sense.
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I'll bite, why is that so?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:28 am to LovetheLord
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I Biblically read it and the Holy Spirit, which has been given To me by God, speaks and confirms that the Bible is indeed the infallible Word of the Creator and is true in all that it says.
So that obligates you to the facts of the scriptures as written. I agree wholeheartedly.
You have bible chronology on your side that doesn't suggest the approximate age of humans on earth but the exact time Adam got here. That chronology is simply traced back to the generations of patriarchs that have come and gone, given that we know how long each lived on the earth. So, I would wholeheartedly agree as many sectarian religious scholars have done the very simple math, and each has concluded that man on this earth is a little over 6000 years according to that bible chronology.
Why are you insistent that the same math would work for creation of the earth as outlined in the bible?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:38 am to bamameister
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I'll bite, why is that so?
You don't bite. You just bark.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:42 am to Globetrotter747
Now I got you deflecting about evolution and religion.
If by some miracle I get you to actually be specific about any of your so-called convictions, it's going to get a lot harder for you.
If by some miracle I get you to actually be specific about any of your so-called convictions, it's going to get a lot harder for you.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:48 am to bamameister
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If by some miracle I get you to actually be specific about any of your so-called convictions, it's going to get a lot harder for you.
Funny you should mention miracles when that's literally the basis of everything you have to say.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:58 am to ATLabama
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I also think that his idea of "day," and ours are two totally separate ideas of time.
I'm not a religious person and I don't really have any strong opinions on the subject, but I've always found the notion that people can be utterly convinced that an omnipotent being with the power to generate an entire universe from nothing goes by the same 24 hour solar cycle we do pretty absurd. If such an omnipotent, eternal being were to exist it wouldn't even have a concept of time given its non-temporal nature, much less the exact same concept of time we do. I also find it absurd that despite a mountain of observable evidence of an infinitely vast universe, many of those same people are also utterly convinced that this omnipotent being took the time to create all of that and then only put life on one of the literally tens of trillions of planets it created.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 9:59 am to Globetrotter747
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Funny you should mention miracles when that's literally the basis of everything you have to say.
I've asked you repeatedly, Mr. Science, to show us your "Lab Work."
You like to put up drawings of it, but that don't feed the bulldog. Does it?
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:06 am to bamameister
because Genesis gives a straight forward account of creation. It speaks of night and day and does so from what would reasonably be read by a person as 24 hour days. On top of that, the Hebrew word Yom, while in a limited number of cases it refers to a period of time, and in others, “The day of the Lord,” in 95% of cases it refers to a definite 24 hour day. Furthermore, in 100% of cases in which a number accompanies the word Yom, ie., the first day (Yom), day refers to a literal 24 hour day. We see in Genesis, “On the first Yom”, etc. The interpretational evidence more than suggests that the reader view the days of Genesi, going back to the first creation as 24 hour days.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:10 am to ATLabama
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One thing I had told to me regarding the lord is this: "The knowledge, complexity, and vast knowledge and power of the lord is so unfathomable, anything other than appreciating it is an exercise in futility."
I was told that as well, and honestly it always sounded like a cop out to me.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:13 am to Robot Santa
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I'm not a religious person and I don't really have any strong opinions on the subject, but I've always found the notion that people can be utterly convinced that an omnipotent being with the power to generate an entire universe from nothing goes by the same 24 hour solar cycle we do pretty absurd. If such an omnipotent, eternal being were to exist it wouldn't even have a concept of time given its non-temporal nature, much less the exact same concept of time we do.
If this creator has the universe on a rotation so tight that atomic clocks are less accurate, why would you be surprised about his usage of time to describe events?
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I also find it absurd that despite a mountain of observable evidence of an infinitely vast universe, many of those same people are also utterly convinced that this omnipotent being took the time to create all of that and then only put life on one of the literally tens of trillions of planets it created.
According to the bible content, there have been millions of creatures created before man and reside somewhere in the vast universe. In fact, according to the same bible passages, some of these creatures were and are the reason man is struggling through immense human tragedy during our short stay here. Imagine that, there is life away from the earth. Space travelers, if you will.
Posted on 1/2/20 at 10:22 am to Robot Santa
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I'm not a religious person and I don't really have any strong opinions on the subject, but I've always found the notion that people can be utterly convinced that an omnipotent being with the power to generate an entire universe from nothing goes by the same 24 hour solar cycle we do pretty absurd. If such an omnipotent, eternal being were to exist it wouldn't even have a concept of time given its non-temporal nature, much less the exact same concept of time we do. I also find it absurd that despite a mountain of observable evidence of an infinitely vast universe, many of those same people are also utterly convinced that this omnipotent being took the time to create all of that and then only put life on one of the literally tens of trillions of planets it created.
These points are absolutely true. A supreme being, by nature, will exist outside of time and actually be the starting point for time.
Another interesting point that has been brought up by many before (thus I am not original in this thought) is that a supreme being must have knowledge that we don’t. Thus, for lower beings to expect to fully understand a higher being is folly. Now consider that we are beings who are trying to look into the depths of a Supreme Being who not only created our Sun, which can kill us in a day if we are overly exposed to it, but also created the billions of other stars, some of which can hold 11 billion times our Sun and one begins to see how utterly ignorant man is of his universe and of the Creator.
Romans 11: 33-36 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! “For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?” “Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?” For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.
As far as other creatures. The Bible does in fact speak of other creatures that inhabit the universe. Angels and demons.
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