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Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:48 am to Sandkhan
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:48 am to Sandkhan
No, we will just have to agree to disagree with our difference of opinions.
Yours is; bad coaching, bad technique, and bad implementation of the position requirements in order to succeed. You believe we have a great strength and conditioning program with doctors of exercise science monitoring our supermen of offensive linemen. You believe that technique was the reason we gave up 32 sacks and got our QB crushed and practically forced him into back spasms.
I on the other hand think we have a very weak and small o linemen compared to previous successful teams and also compared to teams we played, as well as defensive linemen, and also believe the strength and conditioning programs was lacking this year. I feel and believe we need more of these guys:
Bradley Bozeman
Deonte Brown
Jonah Williams
Jedrick Wills
Alex Leatherwood
Ryan Kelly
Cam Robinson
Lester Cotton
Evan Neal
JC Hassenaeur
Landon Dickerson
Tyler Steen
Cyrus Kouandjio
William Vlachos
Mike Johnson
JC Latham
Just to name a few
Yours is; bad coaching, bad technique, and bad implementation of the position requirements in order to succeed. You believe we have a great strength and conditioning program with doctors of exercise science monitoring our supermen of offensive linemen. You believe that technique was the reason we gave up 32 sacks and got our QB crushed and practically forced him into back spasms.
I on the other hand think we have a very weak and small o linemen compared to previous successful teams and also compared to teams we played, as well as defensive linemen, and also believe the strength and conditioning programs was lacking this year. I feel and believe we need more of these guys:
Bradley Bozeman
Deonte Brown
Jonah Williams
Jedrick Wills
Alex Leatherwood
Ryan Kelly
Cam Robinson
Lester Cotton
Evan Neal
JC Hassenaeur
Landon Dickerson
Tyler Steen
Cyrus Kouandjio
William Vlachos
Mike Johnson
JC Latham
Just to name a few
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 9:52 am
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Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:49 am to Sandkhan
Also Alabama’s problem is they only had two good linemen but they were both very good. However both guard positions and right tackle were an adventure all year. Carroll was an improvement at RT but he was still a freshman on a team that couldn’t run the ball because nobody at guard could create movement and the center was undersized and more of a puller than drive blocking type. So sometimes Carroll got embarrassed due the sheer amount of obvious passing downs he faced as a true freshman.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 9:54 am to Diego Ricardo
Agree. Geno VanDemark was especially not great at times, but he could do the things the plays called for.
Which brings us to another issue of square peg round hole. We had players that could’ve done a better job in protection or run blocking but were too married to what we wanted to songs what our best players are best at.
Either way that should be fixed now with multiple years of roster building. Should being the key word.
Which brings us to another issue of square peg round hole. We had players that could’ve done a better job in protection or run blocking but were too married to what we wanted to songs what our best players are best at.
Either way that should be fixed now with multiple years of roster building. Should being the key word.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 10:16 am to Sandkhan
At the end of the day , I don’t think schemes have that big of a deal with missing assignments . OL can be taught assignments of different types and be serviceable at multiple things even though they may be better at certain aspects . Pass blocking is pass blocking. Our OL sans Proctor ( who actually IMPROVED during his time here ) just were not good or athletic plain and simple
Posted on 2/7/26 at 10:20 am to Bear88
I agree with you. I think it’s both. I just don’t think S&C is the massive problem so many on here think.
It was either players or coaches(or both) not doing their jobs well. But it wasn’t because they were skipping leg day.
It was either players or coaches(or both) not doing their jobs well. But it wasn’t because they were skipping leg day.
Posted on 2/7/26 at 10:26 am to Sandkhan
I think our staff’s focus on retaining the roster was admirable and got us more wins in 2024 but probably hurt us in 2025. The problem was they didn’t get to play the portal like everyone else. However, they really needed to overhaul the OL body types and it was more apparent this year when they actually ran their real offense not the Make Milroe Serviceable offense.
This post was edited on 2/7/26 at 10:26 am
Posted on 2/7/26 at 3:50 pm to Diego Ricardo
A lot of the guys we brought in on the OL are basically carbon copies( body types ) of what left . Haywood , James , the FCS center etc are all the same …. Just hopefully better
Posted on 2/7/26 at 4:17 pm to Cover1Key
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Looking back on it in hindsight, I don’t think even Bama fans realized CKD was inheriting a roster in 2024 that required a total overhaul/rebuild and the talent level had taken a complete nose-dive despite the media assuming CKD was inheriting a CNS roster on par with those of the past.
Most of our fans here and on Reddit thought Deboer inherited the most talented roster in the universe
Nevermind it was remnants of the 2023 roster that struggled to beat South Florida, 4-win Arkansas, 5-win Auburn and a subpar Aggie.Posted on 2/7/26 at 4:37 pm to PuertoRicanBlaze
I bought that he was inheriting a top talent roster but after two seasons it’s clear that was not the case. I’d say most of our best players in 2025 were either transfers from UDub that followed the staff or players that have only played for DeBoer’s staff in college.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 9:17 am to PuertoRicanBlaze
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Nevermind it was remnants of the 2023 roster that struggled to beat South Florida
Tyler Buchner started a game as QB in 2023. The talent on the roster had clearly declined.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 10:07 am to EastTXTide
Bama had 8 players on the 1st team All Sec team in 23
(P,PK,and LS) included in that 8
(P,PK,and LS) included in that 8
Posted on 2/8/26 at 10:19 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Our best skill position player on the 2023 team couldn’t even stay on the field at Texas in 2024. Almost all of the best defenders were recruited before COVID. The talent decline was real.
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 2/9/26 at 4:50 pm to RTRnFlorida
Nick is the one who hired the guy we still currently have because under Cochran, we were having too many major injuries. Nick went a different direction with the S&C program and we've sacrificed strength and power for not having as many major season ending injuries.
But there's no doubt that in the latter part of Saban's tenure and the first two years of DeBoer's, our team, especially the offensive line, isn't anywhere as phsyical as years past. The common denomiator is we have the same S&C when it started declining under Saban and the first two years of DeBoer.
But there's no doubt that in the latter part of Saban's tenure and the first two years of DeBoer's, our team, especially the offensive line, isn't anywhere as phsyical as years past. The common denomiator is we have the same S&C when it started declining under Saban and the first two years of DeBoer.
Posted on 2/9/26 at 9:59 pm to Bham Bammer
Bama under DeBoer s not physical period. Don't know about basketball but don't doubt there could be a problem there as well. I think Oats coaching needs adjustments in certain areas (turn overs, tempo and defense).
Posted on 2/10/26 at 9:16 am to EastTXTide
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Tyler Buchner started a game as QB in 2023. The talent on the roster had clearly declined.
Lets not pretend the Cooper Bateman / Blake Barnett / Jalen Hurts debacle didnt happen previously, not exactly the first time we got caught with our pants down due to a 5* QB not being ready.
2023
Secondary? Elite
LB? VG but declining in depth
DL? Elite but declining in depth
OL? Good but declining in depth
WR? Good but declining in depth
RB? Mediocre and declining
QB? Bad. Needed a starter level guy from the portal to give Milroe and Simpson time to figure it out and instead we got Tyler Buchner
Posted on 2/10/26 at 9:22 am to tide06
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DL? Elite but declining in depth
Can you find the elite DL in the image below because I can't.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 11:07 am to Diego Ricardo
It’s pretty likely we are using the word elite to mean different things.
To you it’s likely elite means what you saw peak Saban where the entire DL was early rd draft picks with future NFL guys stacked behind them. That to me is something no one else has or had and is beyond elite. Those were somewhere between NFL and ultra elite fronts some years.
To me elite means to have one of the best groups in the nation capable of competing for but not by itself winning you a championship. This year our DL was good, but the elite defensive fronts were OSU, OU, Clemson and IU with arguments to be made on a couple other teams. I’d actually argue that Texas Tech and Miami were ultra elite as they had multiple high level NFL guys and almost won Miami a championship.
Edge: Turner 5*/Braswell high 4* NFL (ultra elite)
DE: J Eboigbe high 4* / Payne 5* NFL
NG: T Keenan NFL / Oatis inj
DE: T Smith 5* - NFL
FEI #8 Defense
So to me given the fact that the 2023 defensive front had exclusively future NFL guys and finished as a top 10 defense I’d call that VG-elite because that year there were probably only 3-4 teams nationally who could claim that even if we absolutely agree that ‘23 had nothing in common at all with the units like 2015, etc either in terms of starters or more specifically depth. Wasn’t ‘23 the year Oatis missed time? That didn’t help the middle that year much but I might have the year wrong with that.
To you it’s likely elite means what you saw peak Saban where the entire DL was early rd draft picks with future NFL guys stacked behind them. That to me is something no one else has or had and is beyond elite. Those were somewhere between NFL and ultra elite fronts some years.
To me elite means to have one of the best groups in the nation capable of competing for but not by itself winning you a championship. This year our DL was good, but the elite defensive fronts were OSU, OU, Clemson and IU with arguments to be made on a couple other teams. I’d actually argue that Texas Tech and Miami were ultra elite as they had multiple high level NFL guys and almost won Miami a championship.
Edge: Turner 5*/Braswell high 4* NFL (ultra elite)
DE: J Eboigbe high 4* / Payne 5* NFL
NG: T Keenan NFL / Oatis inj
DE: T Smith 5* - NFL
FEI #8 Defense
So to me given the fact that the 2023 defensive front had exclusively future NFL guys and finished as a top 10 defense I’d call that VG-elite because that year there were probably only 3-4 teams nationally who could claim that even if we absolutely agree that ‘23 had nothing in common at all with the units like 2015, etc either in terms of starters or more specifically depth. Wasn’t ‘23 the year Oatis missed time? That didn’t help the middle that year much but I might have the year wrong with that.
Posted on 2/10/26 at 1:29 pm to tide06
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It’s pretty likely we are using the word elite to mean different things.
To you it’s likely elite means what you saw peak Saban where the entire DL was early rd draft picks with future NFL guys stacked behind them. That to me is something no one else has or had and is beyond elite. Those were somewhere between NFL and ultra elite fronts some years.
To me elite means to have one of the best groups in the nation capable of competing for but not by itself winning you a championship. This year our DL was good, but the elite defensive fronts were OSU, OU, Clemson and IU with arguments to be made on a couple other teams. I’d actually argue that Texas Tech and Miami were ultra elite as they had multiple high level NFL guys and almost won Miami a championship.
Edge: Turner 5*/Braswell high 4* NFL (ultra elite)
DE: J Eboigbe high 4* / Payne 5* NFL
NG: T Keenan NFL / Oatis inj
DE: T Smith 5* - NFL
FEI #8 Defense
So to me given the fact that the 2023 defensive front had exclusively future NFL guys and finished as a top 10 defense I’d call that VG-elite because that year there were probably only 3-4 teams nationally who could claim that even if we absolutely agree that ‘23 had nothing in common at all with the units like 2015, etc either in terms of starters or more specifically depth. Wasn’t ‘23 the year Oatis missed time? That didn’t help the middle that year much but I might have the year wrong with that.
I guess I'm not counting Turner and Braswell as DL in an odd front base defense. None of the true DL are elite college players. They're very good as a unit but not even elite for the NIL era. None of those DEs and NTs are better than a day 3 pick. That is not elite. 3rd round is sorta the fringe where NFL teams expect to find starters. These guys are all 4th to 7th round talents.
This post was edited on 2/10/26 at 1:35 pm
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