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Posted on 3/13/20 at 8:52 am to MoarKilometers
Does ano have something to do with anus?
Posted on 3/13/20 at 9:00 am to The Spleen
it was more like 1% in South Korea where they did much more testing than anyone else. Drs say 80% of those with the virus dont even know they have it, so how can they really get an accurate % in this country?
Posted on 3/13/20 at 9:06 am to Cobrasize
quote:Also let Tom Hanks catch the Corona & sent him to Australia to spread it around.
I can’t believe Trump let Justin Trudeau’s wife catch Corona.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 10:12 am to The Spleen
I have a A.S in biology degree from U.A and worked as a surgical tech from 19-21 until I switched to the tech field. I don't care at all what Trump says or any of the politics of the issue.
Now let's look at some studies recently published.
The New England Journal of Medicine wrote this on 02/28/2020
On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.
The American College of Cardiology said this-
COVID-19 appears to have greater infectivity as compared with influenza, although these estimates are still evolving. Case mortality with COVID-19 is currently thought to be around 3.4%, higher in hypertensives, diabetics, patients with underlying cardiovascular disease, and the elderly. This is much higher than the 0.1% mortality with seasonal influenza, but is also likely a high estimate, as most studies to date have included more severe cases of the disease.
"The actual mortality rate may not be much higher (or higher) than flu where there is much better surveillance data available," says Scott Solomon, MD, FACC, from Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, one of the authors of ACC's Clinical Bulletin.
In conclusion I believe this will be like Ebola, Zika, H1N1, Avian Flu, etc. An exotic disease that while scary sounding will kill a fraction of the people that heart disease, the flu, will kill.
Now let's look at some studies recently published.
The New England Journal of Medicine wrote this on 02/28/2020
On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.
The American College of Cardiology said this-
COVID-19 appears to have greater infectivity as compared with influenza, although these estimates are still evolving. Case mortality with COVID-19 is currently thought to be around 3.4%, higher in hypertensives, diabetics, patients with underlying cardiovascular disease, and the elderly. This is much higher than the 0.1% mortality with seasonal influenza, but is also likely a high estimate, as most studies to date have included more severe cases of the disease.
"The actual mortality rate may not be much higher (or higher) than flu where there is much better surveillance data available," says Scott Solomon, MD, FACC, from Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, one of the authors of ACC's Clinical Bulletin.
In conclusion I believe this will be like Ebola, Zika, H1N1, Avian Flu, etc. An exotic disease that while scary sounding will kill a fraction of the people that heart disease, the flu, will kill.
This post was edited on 3/13/20 at 10:46 am
Posted on 3/13/20 at 10:24 am to Capstone2017
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In conclusion I believe this will be like Ebola, Zika, H1N1, Avian Flu, etc. An exotic disease that while scary sounding will kill a fraction of the people that heart disease, the flu, will kill.
While I don't disagree much with this, it confuses the issue. The issue is how rapidly this particular strain can spread, and the stress that rapid spread can put on healthcare systems. That is exactly what happened in Italy and doctors were forced to make decisions on which patients to treat and which ones to allow to die. Further, for healthy people it can either be asymptomatic or the symptoms mimic an everyday cold, so they have no idea they actually have it. It's also highly contagious so they can easily spread it to someone with a weakened immune system.
I also don't think it's fair to compare it to long known diseases and viruses. This is a new strain that just formed 4 or 5 months ago. While there are often new strains of the flu during flu season, they still generally respond to vaccines and flu medications. We're still at least a year away from a vaccine for this strain.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 11:06 am to The Spleen
It doesn't confuse the issue. The issue is covid-19 and how dangerous it will be. Neither of know, but I am going to remain skeptical until I see more evidence that this is spanish flu 2.0
Posted on 3/13/20 at 11:11 am to Capstone2017
Have you had a chance to check out this interview from Joe Rogan? Interested in your thoughts/reaction.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 3/13/20 at 11:22 am to Capstone2017
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It doesn't confuse the issue. The issue is covid-19 and how dangerous it will be.
Sure, and the danger with it at this point is so many people contracting it, showing serious symptoms, and it overloading our healthcare system to the point the system can't adequately treat people, like what is happening in Italy. If we can contain it somewhat and limit its spread, that becomes less of a concern and the death rate is mitigated.
I'm certainly not predicting what's happened in Italy is going to happen here. I think we have a geographical advantage that will mostly prevent that. But I don't think we've been adequately working on containing it until this week, which is likely 3 or 4 weeks too late. And I think we haven't been doing so because this administration is more concerned with the political fallout of it than it is protecting the people in this country. It's shameful.
This post was edited on 3/13/20 at 11:23 am
Posted on 3/13/20 at 11:41 am to The Spleen
I'm not sure if you're insinuating that if someone else was the president, things could be different.
What other President would be doing anything differently?
Even Bernie would not have shut the entire country down.
I honestly don't think that any president from right wing to left wing would be doing anything differently than what Trump is doing now.
What other President would be doing anything differently?
Even Bernie would not have shut the entire country down.
I honestly don't think that any president from right wing to left wing would be doing anything differently than what Trump is doing now.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 11:45 am to East Coast Band
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I'm not sure if you're insinuating that if someone else was the president, things could be different.
A am absolutely insinuating that. I don't think another president would have hamstrung the CDC from doing what they're tasked to do. I don't think another president would have LIED to the American public about the reality of it. I do think another president would be having daily press briefings to inform the public on the current status of things. I don't think another president would deem some meetings on the issue classified and shut out key personnel that do not have security clearance. I don't think another president would put his/her son-in-law who has no experience in public health issues in charge of handling key aspects of it.
That's just a start.
This post was edited on 3/13/20 at 11:46 am
Posted on 3/13/20 at 11:52 am to The Spleen
Spleen is correct. You miscalculate the amount of political virtue signaling that can be done in this episode. Many presidents would kill to have something like this where they could stand everyday as”a bold leader” before the press and promise that we are going to get through this as a United people, take care of everyone rich to poor, black and white, democrat and republican, and promise to give our medical professionals everything they need to succeed in this historic fight.
Trump’s not a virtue signaler, though. He gets things done.
Trump’s not a virtue signaler, though. He gets things done.
This post was edited on 3/13/20 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 3/13/20 at 12:33 pm to The Spleen
LoL.
Like Hillary or Obama would have done a damn thing different.
Or at least where it matters. Daily briefings? What does that solve? You can get all the news you want watching CNN.
All the other crap you posted is just liberal BS.
BTW, the same shite would have been spewed by Brietbart, etc had Hillary been in office now.
Fact is, no President, or any one person can stop a global pandemic.
Science and doctors are all that can do that.
So, go on hating Trump, I can't change your mind. I couldn't change the mind of anyone who always hated Obama, either.
Like Hillary or Obama would have done a damn thing different.
Or at least where it matters. Daily briefings? What does that solve? You can get all the news you want watching CNN.
All the other crap you posted is just liberal BS.
BTW, the same shite would have been spewed by Brietbart, etc had Hillary been in office now.
Fact is, no President, or any one person can stop a global pandemic.
Science and doctors are all that can do that.
So, go on hating Trump, I can't change your mind. I couldn't change the mind of anyone who always hated Obama, either.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 12:51 pm to East Coast Band
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Like Hillary or Obama would have done a damn thing different.
The thing about this statement is Obama was actually president for 8 years and has a record on a couple of different outbreaks you can look back on and see just how differently he handled it. All while Trump fired off Tweets criticizing his handling of the Ebola scare. A scare that saw only 11 people in the US infected.
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Daily briefings? What does that solve?
It's a conduit for the White House to inform the public of what they're doing in the face of this crisis. Yes, there are ridiculous questions from the press. Yes, there is political spin in them. A few people have mentioned this administration is doing work "behind the scenes that we don't know about." Fair enough, but they should inform a concerned public what those things are.
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Fact is, no President, or any one person can stop a global pandemic.
Of course not, and I don't have that expectation, as I've said a couple of times in this thread. I do have an expectation that the president put qualified, competent people in charge in fighting it though, and I do have an expectation that he/she put the well being of the American public before his/her political well being.
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Science and doctors are all that can do that.
Yes, and this president has hamstrung those scientists and doctors.
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So, go on hating Trump,
It's not about hating Trump. It's about having an expectation for a competent leader in times of crisis. He has failed miserably in this one. I didn't care for George W Bush at all, but he stepped up and handled the 9/11 admirably and was a leader.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 12:53 pm to East Coast Band
What happened to all the mass shootings all over the news? Then all of the police brutality videos?
The media shows you what they want you to see. This is literally the biggest overreaction the country has ever performed. They literally shut down every sport in America. That’s the first time ever that no sports will be played for at least a month.
The media shows you what they want you to see. This is literally the biggest overreaction the country has ever performed. They literally shut down every sport in America. That’s the first time ever that no sports will be played for at least a month.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:25 pm to Bear88
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I can say without a doubt that I would rather be in the USA with this type of deal than anywhere else
We are underprepared for these types of things because we cut and reduced the budget for handling these types of situations.
If anyone wanted the blue print to take us down, they have it...
Anyways, I hope we move a little of that insane military budget toward disease control, medical and structural/organization support.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:28 pm to YStar
Healthcare is what I was referring to . I think our doctors/scientists are as well trained as any
This post was edited on 3/13/20 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:34 pm to The Spleen
You can like or dislike the president. It’s your constitutional right. But to blame him for this pandemic is way out of bounds.
China unleashed this upon the world. You need to understand that.
China unleashed this upon the world. You need to understand that.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:36 pm to Tide and Seek
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What happened to all the mass shootings all over the news? Then all of the police brutality videos?
The media shows you what they want you to see. This is literally the biggest overreaction the country has ever performed. They literally shut down every sport in America. That’s the first time ever that no sports will be played for at least a month.
I think Tide and Seek is on to something here. How much has past breathless reporting of coming apacolypse (Swine flu, avian flu, Hurricane xxx, global warming/cooling/climate change) affected the willingness of people today to take things like this seriously?
If this thing largely falls apart, the media, etc., won't be able to ever convince Americans again of an existential weather or health threat. This is the media's and the WHO's weapons of mass destruction claim. They'd better not be wrong.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:50 pm to hwyman108
Pretty much no one is blaming him for the pandemic. He's being blamed for a lack of preparedness and refusal to proactively address the issue. He has deliberately weakened the systems that are supposed to be in place to respond to these types of threats and consistently prioritized politics or personal gain over the well being of the people.
Whether you like him or not doesn't matter, he has objectively fricked up this entire situation.
Whether you like him or not doesn't matter, he has objectively fricked up this entire situation.
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