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Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:08 pm to prevatt33b
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:08 pm to prevatt33b
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I will exit this discussion, as I do not feel like being demonized for the millionth time for simply discussing an issue.
Who is demonizing you here? You made statements, I asked questions. That isn't demonization.
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:09 pm to prevatt33b
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3) The US' open boarders and very large size are HUGE negatives in this type of scenario. Smaller countries are better off, as they can simply close their borders.
So you agree with the President's decision to close our borders?
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:14 pm to TideSaint
To be fair, Singapore seems to be praised for their response. Their political system is monopolized but Lee, like his father, is highly competent. Experience worth past pandemics have prepared Singapore for this. That's why small countries are the best form of governance.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:24 pm to TideSaint
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So you agree with the President's decision to close our borders?
I have been working a lot the last day or 2, and I am not an expert on Trump's activities. I did hear about the border closing from Europe, and it seems like a good idea. I honestly think every country should close its borders as much as possible for a month, with the supply of food and necessities an obvious exception. Whatever politicizing of Trump's decision good or bad, I have not been privy to and know nothing about whatever political argument is the flavor of the day where you are. Sorry.
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:36 pm to prevatt33b
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I have been working a lot the last day or 2, and I am not an expert on Trump's activities. I did hear about the border closing from Europe, and it seems like a good idea. I honestly think every country should close its borders as much as possible for a month, with the supply of food and necessities an obvious exception. Whatever politicizing of Trump's decision good or bad, I have not been privy to and know nothing about whatever political argument is the flavor of the day where you are. Sorry.
So you pay attention to other things he does to criticize him, yet when he does something you agree with you alienate yourself from the situation?
That doesn't seem fair.
You do know he banned travel from the epicenter of this virus 6 weeks ago, right? Was that not a good decision?
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:39 pm to TideSaint
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You do know he banned travel from the epicenter of this virus 6 weeks ago, right?
The Democrats initially gave him hell for this too. Schumer had to delete a tweet about it
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:45 pm to TideSaint
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So you pay attention to other things he does to criticize him, yet when he does something you agree with you alienate yourself from the situation?
That doesn't seem fair.
You do know he banned travel from the epicenter of this virus 6 weeks ago, right? Was that not a good decision?
I don't want to speak on things I'm not well read on, and Trump's recent decisions (last 36 hours), I'm not an expert on. Furthermore, I do have a very low opinion of Trump, and believe him to be a very bad president and very bad person. However, speaking about the federal government, I believe that during Trump's term, the congress has been the worst of the 2 entities, comparing congress to the president. Having said those things, not everything Trump has done is bad and anyone who claims such is painting him with too wide a brush. He has certainly gotten some things right during his presidency. Whatever arguments you are having with other Trump haters, please don't assume I believe the same things or hold the same opinions. Lastly, the last thing I want to do tonight is debate politics, much less American politics. You seem much more emotionally invested in the topic of Trump than me, and if you disagree with me about an issue or believe that I am wrong on an issue, I'm ok with that at this juncture. I prefer to agree to let you discuss this with another poster.
I only want to talk football, and now Spring may get cancelled. I'm super bummed and going to eat some chicken wings.
I should never have posted about politics in this thread. That was a mistake.
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:47 pm to Cobrasize
He could save a baby from a burning house and Dems would criticize the way he carried the baby out 
Posted on 3/12/20 at 11:48 pm to Bear88
It’s amazing.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 12:24 am to prevatt33b
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Half the country of Peru is Chinese.
It's more like 3-5% baw.
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3) The US' open boarders
You'd think for someone who has 0 shame in mentioning their academic offers, you'd spell border correctly.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 1:25 am to The Spleen
Ok if millions of people have it but aren't dying then the mortality rate is even lower than the who says. That is an argument against your point, not for it. Btw I always vote third party.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 6:02 am to Capstone2017
I typically lean moderate to lightly conservative... I'm not a Trump fan and can admit that he's done some good, but the overall response to this hasn't been good at all. Not catastrophic like Dems are painting, but we needed this to not be brushed off as a hoax weeks ago.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 6:45 am to Capstone2017
It’s not entirely about the mortality rate, though I saw something last night that Italy’s mortality rate for it is approaching 7%. People want to bring up the flu in this discussion, and its mortality rate is 0.1%.
Italy’s problem is they were slow to respond to it, the virus spread very quickly, and the sick overwhelmed their hospitals. People there have died in the hospitals there without getting any treatment because they were so overwhelmed. We have also been slow to respond, and this administration has been putting out dangerously false information. Will we find ourselves in a situation similar to Italy’s? Maybe not, but the potential is there. Contrast it to South Korea where the virus has been pretty much contained. They had free testing, tested pretty much anyone that wanted to be tested, and results were available in hours instead of days like here. And people with positive results were immediately quarantined and treated.
As I initially said last night, we elected a man that wanted to blow up the system, and he fired the pandemic response team 2 years ago. We elected a man that had no public policy experience, and one with an ego so massive he thinks he is the lone expert on everything. The virus is obviously not his fault, and even with our best efforts it would have impacted people here, but this administrations’s slow response absolutely is at least partially to blame for the situation we now find ourselves in with major events cancelled, schools closing, the markets tanking, etc.
Italy’s problem is they were slow to respond to it, the virus spread very quickly, and the sick overwhelmed their hospitals. People there have died in the hospitals there without getting any treatment because they were so overwhelmed. We have also been slow to respond, and this administration has been putting out dangerously false information. Will we find ourselves in a situation similar to Italy’s? Maybe not, but the potential is there. Contrast it to South Korea where the virus has been pretty much contained. They had free testing, tested pretty much anyone that wanted to be tested, and results were available in hours instead of days like here. And people with positive results were immediately quarantined and treated.
As I initially said last night, we elected a man that wanted to blow up the system, and he fired the pandemic response team 2 years ago. We elected a man that had no public policy experience, and one with an ego so massive he thinks he is the lone expert on everything. The virus is obviously not his fault, and even with our best efforts it would have impacted people here, but this administrations’s slow response absolutely is at least partially to blame for the situation we now find ourselves in with major events cancelled, schools closing, the markets tanking, etc.
This post was edited on 3/13/20 at 6:47 am
Posted on 3/13/20 at 7:25 am to stomp
This coronavirus is being described now as a pandemic. So we are much further along in scope than your garden variety epidemic. This country is mobilizing like few pandemics we've seen. Sports going away at the speed of light is about the most ominous warning we have had in this country in my lifetime.
It shouldn't take long to appreciate that politics has nothing to do with this one. The world is shutting down and taking trillions of dollars in business with it.
It shouldn't take long to appreciate that politics has nothing to do with this one. The world is shutting down and taking trillions of dollars in business with it.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 7:31 am to The Spleen
The mortality rate in one particular area was around 7%. For the most part it's around 3%. As far as I can tell, this pandemic has far paled in comparison to the flu thus far. I can't help but wonder how much of all this is driven by hype and threats of lawsuits. May be I'm missing something.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 7:48 am to LovetheLord
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The mortality rate in one particular area was around 7%. For the most part it's around 3%. As far as I can tell, this pandemic has far paled in comparison to the flu thus far. I can't help but wonder how much of all this is driven by hype and threats of lawsuits. May be I'm missing something.
The world is actually trying to get out in front of this virus. You are counting eggs like it's over. It's not the nature of these viruses to simply hit and go away. Or to just give you one version of itself. The milder Spanish influenza during the First World War had a much lower mortality rate. Then the second coming of that pandemic disease killed anywhere from 50 to 100 million people. And between the milder strain and the brutal second, it all occurred in about 6 months' time. Either way, far more deaths than all the casualties of the First World War put together. That influenza was hardest on young adults between 20-40 years of age. Also, an anomaly as influenza-like symptoms usually go.
It may very well be that this country and the world hasn't seen the first coming of this virus, much less the second.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 7:50 am to 1BamaRTR
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It’s also summer time there. It’s possible the spread of the virus is slowed down in increasing temperatures. Could explain how India, despite being even more densely populated and just as unhygienic compared to northern neighbor China, has barely any cases and no deaths.
I read an article on India yesterday and was very intrigued by it. Basically, they are neighbors to China, have as bad or possibly worse hygienic conditions, high prevalence of pneumonia already, and they are not experiencing very much impact from this virus at all. The temps in India have been lows in the 60's highs in the 80's in most places. I do think there is a link to warmer weather and high humidity slowing down the virus just like flu and other colds(coronaviruses). Of course this one is new, and time will tell the truth about it, but there could very well be credence to climate. Singapore is also not experiencing very many cases of this virus and have a similar climate.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 8:06 am to MoarKilometers
They have always closed them for approaching hurricanes. My point was that Disney doesn’t close their parks for illnesses. When the Bird Flu, Ebola, and Swine Flu were at their height, Disney was still open. I guess if you aren’t from Florida, it doesn’t seem shocking.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 8:13 am to LovetheLord
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The mortality rate in one particular area was around 7%. For the most part it's around 3%
Ah, thanks for the correction and that makes a little more sense. Thought 7% was a bit high, and I saw it late last night as I was going to bed.
Posted on 3/13/20 at 8:23 am to prevatt33b
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Don't speak to me about something you know literally nothing about.
I've been to Peru as well, so I have that going for me. Cite me 1 credible source for stating Peru is close to 50% (some 16 million people) Chinese ethnicity, otherwise I'll just have to agree you're the last 3 letters of what Peruvians are called in Spanish, peruano. Puedo hacer un chiste en espanol tambien, jajaja.
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