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Posted on 11/10/19 at 1:42 pm
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/10/19 at 1:42 pm
***Thread for respectful discussion only. If you're looking for a fight, look elsewhere.***

After listening to a number of podcasts today, and one in particular (Cover 3 podcast), I thought it important for the board and fanbase to hear what national media members/professional bettors/folks who know the game had to say.

And the general consensus was that LSU looked like the slightly better team going into the game, and that proved to be true, but that it was also obvious that Alabama didn't play it's best in the game. And it's not an excuse - just the explanation of events.

Tom Fornelli specifically noted that Tua had surgery 3 weeks ago, hadn't really practiced live much, and was maybe 85%, but he still improved through a slow start and threw for 418 yards and 4 touchdowns, after which he said, "How good would Tua have been at 100% versus LSU?"

Barton Simmons noted that his buddies had been text-discussing the game, and his friends commented that "LSU played the perfect game, and Alabama still nearly won the game and only lost by only 5." Barton replies, "Yeah, but LSU has been doing that to everyone, on offense anyway, and they did it to Alabama, too." The general opinion is that LSU is just that good, at least offensively.

And specific to the question of whether this was LSU being better than Alabama or Alabama just playing badly for half the game, Simmons replies that yeah certainly Alabama could have played better and maybe the game would have gone a bit differently, but he says that the reality is that Bama has real issues on defense. And the totality of his explanation of the issues was (paraphrasing), "Maybe Shane Lee and Christian Harris will be good LBs one day, but they're not good today. They're starting 2 True freshman on the Dline, too. And 2 True freshamn at ILB. When was the last time Alabama didn't have good LBs? (shocked tone at the end)".

At the end, the question is posted to the 3-man group as to how far Bama will/should fall in the playoff rankings, Fornelli snapped "Four" before the question is even finished and Simmons says "Five".

And the reality is that people who know the game and who I've listened to enough to value their opinion - national people with no ties to any team involved - basically believe that Alabama is a very, very good team - maybe still a playoff team, but they have issues on D this year that can't be hidden, and that it's the jimmies and joes - specifically freshman.

And I'll finish by saying that I know a large portion of the board believes the problem is coaching, but you do realize that LSU just put one of the best 3 offenses on the field Bama has faced under Saban, and we couldn't even afford to have our starting Mike and Will on the damn field and had to scheme around it. You do realize that, right?

I support everyone's right to believe whatever you want, but many here need to understand that we have personnel limitations on our front 7 - and those limitations would hamstring any other DC just as much. Yes, I know other players and units had breakdowns too, but surely you can understand that we were trying to cobble together a gameplan with insufficient pieces, which stresses all the units. Hell, Lewis played ILB half the game and McKinney nearly did as well. The reality is if the defensive personnel that we started fall camp with had been available for this game, we'd have played a wildly different scheme and likely played much, MUCH better.

LSU's offense is great, and this is the poorest front-7 two deep under Saban due to injuries. Neither Pruitt nor Buddy Ryan himself could fix that.

This post was edited on 11/10/19 at 1:45 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64952 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 1:49 pm to
I agree with you for once.

Our defensive woes have more to do with depth than it does with coaching. We have never had this much youth and inexperience in the defensive front seven since Saban got here 12 years ago.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 1:49 pm to
I can't disagree with anything you posted.

I would add that we have senior DBs that we should be getting more out of in a big game like that.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14471 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 1:56 pm to
Just out of curiosity, was it the freshman LB who caused us to have 12 on the field or the freshman LB who couldn’t make a tackle for a third down stop? Or was it a freshman LB who left a WR running butt naked in the secondary?

I’ll have to check my notes but I think those were all upperclassmen making those mistakes. The LBs aren’t a strength. But they also aren’t the reason this defense is still blowing assignments in the secondary or getting foolish penalties consistently. Those are coaching and discipline issues. Not youth issues.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9419 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 1:58 pm to
That LSU offense was average at best last season with virtually the same personnel. Coaching is the difference with LSU's offense. Coaching is also pivotal when discussing our defense.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13179 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 1:58 pm to
I agree . A lot of these kids were attending prom a few months ago too
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 1:58 pm to
When upperclassmen don't know their assignments in game 9 and are asking for help lining up, either the wrong players are playing or the coaching is poor or both. You can't excuse the coaches completely. Youth only goes so far and we're 3/4 of the way through the season. They should have grown up much more by now.
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:05 pm to
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are asking for help lining up


Players need to communicate the call and communicate the adjustments, and those calls must come from a central source. Do you expect these players to read the mind of the coach making the call and read minds of the players in charge of the adjustments? They have to communicate the calls. They're not bees - they don't think as group simultaneously.

And do you expect all of this to function well without even being able to have our "starting" Mike LB on the field?

I think my expectations are realistic. I think others' are not.
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

That LSU offense was average at best last season with virtually the same personnel. Coaching is the difference with LSU's offense. Coaching is also pivotal when discussing our defense.


If their offense was still this good while starting 4 true freshman - Center, Left Tackle, QB, and RB (equating it to Bama's injuries on defense this year), you would had a real good point.
This post was edited on 11/10/19 at 2:10 pm
Posted by Dubosed
Gulf Breeze
Member since Nov 2012
7036 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:10 pm to
Gonna be honest. Mayden,Carter,and Raekwon Davis are not very good. New blood is needed and I think we have some young guys who have huge ceilings. Jobe,Battle,and Christian fricking Barmore need to be on the damn field. Barmore ran down Clyde Edwards Helaire twice on screen plays on critical third downs yesterday and got the defense off the field. Get him on the fricking field. And Markhail Benton is not better than Lee or Harris. He was lost all game and has been all season.
This post was edited on 11/10/19 at 2:12 pm
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9419 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

Gonna be honest. Mayden,Carter,and Raekwon Davis are not very good. New blood is needed and I think we have some young guys who have huge ceilings. Jobe,Battle,and Christian fricking Barmore need to be on the damn field. Barmore ran down Clyde Edwards Helaire twice on screen plays on critical third downs yesterday and got the defense off the field. Get him on the fricking field.


We are on the same frequency. How do you sit Barmore when he's making plays like that? Barmore shouldn't physically be able to run down RBs but he can.
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

Gonna be honest. Mayden,Carter,and Raekwon Davis are not very good. New blood is needed and I think we have some young guys who have huge ceilings. Jobe,Battle,and Christian fricking Barmore need to be on the damn field. Barmore ran down Clyde Edwards Helaire twice on screen plays on critical third downs yesterday and got the defense off the field. Get him on the fricking field.



We've always had players like Mayden, Carter, and Davis playing roles on our teams. We just had other elite guys to hide the efficiencies of others. I'm confident that if we had all hands on deck, the limitations of certain players wouldn't be glaring or even able to be seen.

This was always going to be a down year defensively in the front-7 regarding quality depth even before the injuries. Then we were hit with injuries and the backups are freshman. Weak units affect other units significantly.

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And Markhail Benton is not better than Lee or Harris. He was lost all game and has been all season.


I disagree maximally. Benton is our best coverage LB and it's plain as day. Are you seriously saying that you, a spectator, are certain that Saban and the coaching staff are inept enough to not even know how to play the best players, and you, from your limited viewing of games and no practice viewing, are the definitive expert on the subject?

Mmmm, ok.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14471 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:36 pm to
It’s not plain as day based on performance. And if it were that obvious to the coaches it shouldn’t have take to game 9 for him to get more than sporadic playing time. It’s not as if this was the first time we played a team that threw a lot.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42130 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:38 pm to
quote:

And I'll finish by saying that I know a large portion of the board believes the problem is coaching, but you do realize that LSU just put one of the best 3 offenses on the field Bama has faced under Saban, and we couldn't even afford to have our starting Mike and Will on the damn field and had to scheme around it. You do realize that, right?

Sure, but why in the ninth game of the season have those guys not developed more?

Certainly part of the blame goes on the Lee and Harris themselves, but also on the coaching, as Golding is the DC and inside linebackers coach. Maybe the lack of development is because we haven’t played anyone, but you’d think that wouldn’t be bad for development.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14471 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:39 pm to
It’s convenient to blame it all on the freshmen but there are many other issues - penalties and blown assignments on the back end - that can’t be explained by that answer.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9419 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:42 pm to
Coaching is the issue. We have 4 nationally recruited ILBers and Golding can't coach up any of them? And, couldn't coach up Mack Wilson who is excelling in the NFL.
Posted by MagillaGuerilla
Nick Fairley Fan Club, Founder
Member since Nov 2009
35444 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:45 pm to
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Mack Wilson who is excelling in the NFL.


44.4 overall PFF grade.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9419 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

44.4 overall PFF grade.


Mack Wilson continues to shine in Cleveland

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Posted by MagillaGuerilla
Nick Fairley Fan Club, Founder
Member since Nov 2009
35444 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:48 pm to
quote:


44.4 overall PFF grade
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11454 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 2:50 pm to
quote:


Players need to communicate the call and communicate the adjustments, and those calls must come from a central source. Do you expect these players to read the mind of the coach making the call and read minds of the players in charge of the adjustments? They have to communicate the calls. They're not bees - they don't think as group simultaneously.

And do you expect all of this to function well without even being able to have our "starting" Mike LB on the field?

I think my expectations are realistic. I think others' are not.



I understand communicating the call, but when they are dancing around before the snap because they aren't sure where to line up and who's their man, etc, there's a problem. A couple of players look lost every time they go out there.
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