re: If we decline further it will be because we held onto Golding too long

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Were those metrics impacted by how Bama's defense fared vs sisters of the poor like Duke, New Mexico St, Southern Miss, Arkansas, and Western Carolina?

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All 130 CFB teams were put through the EXACT SAME metrics, and 124 other defenses were worse than us according to the SP, which is the best set of advanced metrics available.

If you want to see the SP formula that accounts for strength of opponent, garbage time, etc., look it up yourself. I ain't yo maid.

However, it's obvious that you WANT to believe a narrative that Golding is singlehandedly responsible for the downfall of humanity, so have at it. You're wrong - but you're going to believe it no matter what.

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All 130 CFB teams were put through the EXACT SAME metrics, and 124 other defenses were worse than us according to the SP, which is the best set of advanced metrics available.

If you want to see the SP formula that accounts for strength of opponent, garbage time, etc., look it up yourself. I ain't yo maid.

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Advanced stats are fine when they're congruent with the eye test. In alabama's case though, they weren't.

Now i haven't read all your posts on golding but i have read enough to get the gist of your overall theme.

You're right. Golding by and large did fine with what he had to work with and there's just no flippin' way anyone can get a reasonable handle on how good he really is when he had a shitload of freshmen guys playing on defense, as well as guys that if not for these injuries would probably be in the transfer portal.

I mean shite, i've lost count of all the rotating true and redshirt freshmen and 3rd teamers playing on that defense this year.

It was a mess and honestly could have been alot worse than it was. Now in that regard you can quote some advanced stats for sure.

No matter. You're right on about your golding assessment and until he leaves, saban either agrees with you or no one better wants to coach here. We'll know more after the supplemental national signing day as i've taken to calling it.

Sure. Agree to disagree.

I don't know whether Golding is a BAD defensive coordinator. But after one year as DC and another year as co-DC and (part time) playcaller, we also have no clue whether:
- he is a GOOD defensive coordinator by BAMA standards;
- has the kind of demeanor/attitude that is needed and expected to coach an Alabama style defense;
- he is a good fit at Bama;
- can teach fundamentals to ILBs.

What we do know is that is Alabama: there is not more time to wait and see if Golding is a GOOD DC. We have been sub-par (by Saban-Bama standards) for 2 years now. 3 years could mean a disaster (esp. with a rough schedule and a less potent offense).

So, not all blame should fall on PG, but that doesn't mean there is time to wait another year to see whether he is good enough.

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I mean, yeah, but did their fg kicker go 4/4 on 40+ yard FGs against those teams???

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Maybe those other teams prevented Auburn from getting the opportunities to do that.

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I mean, yeah, but did their fg kicker go 4/4 on 40+ yard FGs against those teams???

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I don’t know what the ranges were but he was...
2/3 vs Oregon
2/2 vs UF
2/2 vs LSU
0/1vs UGA
1/1 vs Minnesota

Against those teams he didn’t even get into as many 40+ yard opportunities.

I think the barn kicker was about 2 of his last 8 kicks before our game.

Surge, you are allowed to make original posts. I don't know if you are aware of that. You seem transfixed on me and copy-pasting my words over again, and have done it multiple times in this one thread.

I'm flattered, but you don't have to use my thoughts as your thoughts all the time. You are welcome to begin thinking for yourself.

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No way Pete will be the DC for Bama in 2020.

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I thought this would be the case a month back, but as I've thought about it more, I think he's going to be retained. Saban is trying to break the cycle of having to hire new coordinators every year. You can't do that if you keep firing them. I think Golding was not good this year, but I'll definitely concede that he was dealt a bad hand. This was the probably worst collection of defensive talent we've had in 10 years and we had tons of injuries. That doesn't make him without blame, but I think Saban is going to give him another year. He obviously sees something in the guy, who is kind of having to learn on the job.