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re: If we decline further it will be because we held onto Golding too long
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:30 pm to Panthers4life
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:30 pm to Panthers4life
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Golding will make adjustments in offseason.
What adjustments does Golding need to make, other that to have better, more experienced, and less injured players to coach?
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:31 pm to prevatt33b
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A chef is only as good as his ingredients. And many of our best ingredients had season-ending or lengthy injuries. We also missed on recruiting which everyone knows.
A truly good chef can take the ingredients he has at his disposal, improvise and create a delicious meal.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:36 pm to TidalSurge1
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A truly good chef can take the ingredients he has at his disposal, improvise and create a delicious meal
In a dream world.
Don't forget: In football, a 'chef' has to create a meal that will go out a physically beat another chef's meal for 4 quarters. It ain't a dam taste test - it's a war.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:52 pm to prevatt33b
I'm of the opinion that as long as we have Nick, we're gonna be in contention to win the title every year.
So I'm good with whatever he decides.
So I'm good with whatever he decides.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:53 pm to prevatt33b
It was your analogy. When the point you were trying to make with it got holes poked in it, your response was that it wasn't a valid analogy after all. 
I agree that Golding faced tough challenges, but imo he failed miserably at putting as good of a product on the field as could've and should've been done with the healthy players (ingredients) and position coaching and support staff he had available. As the season went along I kept seeing a disorganized, sloppy, undisciplined defense that wasn't even very fundamentally sound. I also saw too many player personnel decisions, schemes and calls that were just dumb. I saw a defense that had taken on his personality traits and appeared as lost as he did. And I could be wrong, but I think Coach Saban feels it's necessary and wants to make a change at DC.
I agree that Golding faced tough challenges, but imo he failed miserably at putting as good of a product on the field as could've and should've been done with the healthy players (ingredients) and position coaching and support staff he had available. As the season went along I kept seeing a disorganized, sloppy, undisciplined defense that wasn't even very fundamentally sound. I also saw too many player personnel decisions, schemes and calls that were just dumb. I saw a defense that had taken on his personality traits and appeared as lost as he did. And I could be wrong, but I think Coach Saban feels it's necessary and wants to make a change at DC.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:37 pm to prevatt33b
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I disagree. A chef is only as good as his ingredients. And many of our best ingredients had season-ending or lengthy injuries. We also missed on recruiting which everyone knows.
Every player out there received a scholarship to play. If they were not good enough ingredients then they should not have been offered a scholarship. But they were and yes I understand having to play true freshman. That may account for lack of experience but it does not account for poor technique.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:44 pm to TidalSurge1
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And I could be wrong, but I think Coach Saban feels it's necessary and wants to make a change at DC.
Bear in mind, I am not championing Golding as a great DC, nor am I saying that he's the best DC we could have. If Saban wants a change, I fully support it.
However, I think it's clear to any knowledgeable observer that Bama's problems were principally with personnel, and I don't like it when fans pile on a coach as if the coach should be able to control every player like a video game during games. I think much more frequently than many fans realize, plays fail for reasons within the players' control, not the coaches. That's why we call them "players" - they are the ones who have to play.
Coaches, no matter who they are, can't completely and fundamentally make up for a player's shortcomings, whether they be between the ears or from the neck down.
Golding's got lots of room for improvement, but he's not the biggest reason your defense under-performed. It was injuries and lack of depth in 2 spots - ILB and DLine.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:46 pm to TideWarrior
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it does not account for poor technique.
What?
Are you saying that the first thing a freshman should master is technique? Really? Gimme a break.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:51 pm to TidalSurge1
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It was your analogy.
And it was an apt analogy. But no analogy can withstand being twisted and taken out of context.
At some point in time, competing against another "chef's" creation has to be taken into consideration, and even still I would argue that Golding's meal was quite delicious. By my measure, Golding cooked a damn fine meal: we finished the regular season with the 6th ranked defense in the SP advanced metrics.
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Given what he had to work with, seems damn delicious to me.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:03 pm to prevatt33b
Alabama gave up 28 points to a very mediocre Texas A&M, 31 points to a one dimensional Ole Miss, and 48 points to a pedestrian offense in Auburn (34 if you want to blame 14 on Jones). None of those teams are what you would consider offensive juggernauts. That’s all the numbers I need to see. If he can’t do any better than that, he’s not cut out for the job he has.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:25 pm to phil4bama
Most of those points, excepting the Auburn game, came in garbage time too. The one dimensional offense of Ole Miss’ gave LSU a heck of a time and turned out to be pretty tough to stop. Yet, we were up 35 before they started to do anything.
We are two pick sixes and a ridiculously long field goal of two, including one that never should of happened, from running away from Auburn.
We are two pick sixes and a ridiculously long field goal of two, including one that never should of happened, from running away from Auburn.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:29 pm to phil4bama
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Alabama gave up 28 points to a very mediocre Texas A&M, 31 points to a one dimensional Ole Miss, and 48 points to a pedestrian offense in Auburn (34 if you want to blame 14 on Jones).
Yes!
And it was still good for 6th best in the country!
That's the point! We gave up a lot of points this year, and it was still better that 124 other teams!
Yes! Exactly!
Do you guys not even watch CFB outside of Bama games? Is your head that much in the sand? Is no one paying attention to the offensive revolution happening in CFB right now?
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:35 pm to prevatt33b
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What?
Are you saying that the first thing a freshman should master is technique? Really? Gimme a break.
I understand you support Golding so be it. I do not and I saw players that were freshman, sophomores, juniors, and seniors over the last 2 seasons on defense play undisciplined, with poor technique, and the inability to execute the plays. To me I solely lay the blame on the defensive staff for that, which is overseen by Golding.
We can agree to disagree.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:42 pm to prevatt33b
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Is no one paying attention to the offensive revolution happening in CFB right now?
What does that have to do with players not being able to tackle in the open field? Or with a DB who does not turn his head to look for the ball? These have been some of the staples of Alabama's defenses until the last 2 years. The ability to bring the wood on the tackle but now we hold our breath every time a team is on 3rd down because our inability to consistently stop a team on 3rd down.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:54 pm to TideWarrior
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The ability to bring the wood on the tackle but now we hold our breath every time a team is on 3rd down because our inability to consistently stop a team on 3rd down.
Definitely made a difference. We were 11th in the CONFERENCE (70th nationally) in 3rd down conversions allowed to fellow conference opponents. Even though LSU’s defense gave up a lot of yards, they were still tied for 1st in the league in that category. Made a difference for them in all their ranked games (except UF).
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:56 pm to TideWarrior
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What does that have to do with players not being able to tackle in the open field?
Only happened a handful of times. Frustrating when it happened though, yes.
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Or with a DB who does not turn his head to look for the ball?
Bama fans have been complaining about this since at least 2013.
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Way too many fans only remember the bad and ignore the good. Our defense played a lot of good football this year. If we had had the players we started fall camp with, I'm certain we'd have been in the convo for best defense in the country.
We didn't, so we weren't.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:57 pm to TideWarrior
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I understand you support Golding so be it.
I don't support Golding. I support putting blame in the correct place, and I support looking at the good AND bad and doing it in context.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:03 pm to TideWarrior
My biggest issue with the D is, and always has been, the defensive packages Nick puts out there in 3rd and long or obvious passing situations. Over the years I have watched Pettway, Hand, Buggs, Raekwon and other heavy-legged 3-4 DE types move out to the edge in long yardage situations. Drives me nuts.
As many athletes as we have, you can not convince me we don't have a ton of explosive athletes we can wind up and send to get to the QB.
I don't want to hear, "They don't know the scheme." There is no scheme on 3rd and 11. "Son, go get the QB!" Football is not that complex a game. When it's time to rush the passer, get guys on the field who can rush the passer.
Tim Williams is really the only fast-twitch, explosive edge rusher we've had during the Saban years that was a difference maker from the outside.
As many athletes as we have, you can not convince me we don't have a ton of explosive athletes we can wind up and send to get to the QB.
I don't want to hear, "They don't know the scheme." There is no scheme on 3rd and 11. "Son, go get the QB!" Football is not that complex a game. When it's time to rush the passer, get guys on the field who can rush the passer.
Tim Williams is really the only fast-twitch, explosive edge rusher we've had during the Saban years that was a difference maker from the outside.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:13 pm to SoFla Tideroller
My issue in 2019 was that for the most part, when an opposing offensive player got his hands on a player on our defensive front 7, our players did not get off those blocks. They stayed blocked for the duration of the play.
Sure, Jennings flew around, as did Lewis some. Even Harris showed some pursuit skill in traffic. Barmore made a few plays.
But generally speaking, our Front 7 got blocked much of the year.
That and we didn't tackle as well as we normally do for a number of quarters this year, but I personally attribute that to players trying to do too much to make up for the shortcomings of other units. I also think it's related to Saban's alluding to us having a few toxic personalities on the team. I think it affected our defensive culture.
Sure, Jennings flew around, as did Lewis some. Even Harris showed some pursuit skill in traffic. Barmore made a few plays.
But generally speaking, our Front 7 got blocked much of the year.
That and we didn't tackle as well as we normally do for a number of quarters this year, but I personally attribute that to players trying to do too much to make up for the shortcomings of other units. I also think it's related to Saban's alluding to us having a few toxic personalities on the team. I think it affected our defensive culture.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:32 pm to TideWarrior
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What does that have to do with players not being able to tackle in the open field?
What does Golding have to do with it?
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Or with a DB who does not turn his head to look for the ball?
Diggs did this.
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These have been some of the staples of Alabama's defenses until the last 2 years.
Not sure what fantasy world you are living in if you think this has just started.
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The ability to bring the wood on the tackle but now we hold our breath every time a team is on 3rd down because our inability to consistently stop a team on 3rd dow
Hmmm, sounds like we need...guys who are a little bigger and stronger, maybe a few more years in the weight room and a little more experience.
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