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re: If we decline further it will be because we held onto Golding too long
Posted on 1/9/20 at 4:41 pm to prevatt33b
Posted on 1/9/20 at 4:41 pm to prevatt33b
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What's funny on this board is that so many fans are CONVINCED that Golding is not a bad DC and that our defensive woes aren't his fault at all, yet I haven't seen one poster justify this belief with any substantive evidence. It's always something about injuries and true freshman ILBs and or some loud nonsense about the offense just wasn't "good enough". Well, that's a shite take.
If you think Golding is not a subpar DC, then back that statement up with specific examples of his good coaching int meetings, good coaching a\t practice, or good Xs and Os come gameday. Nobody ever does.
And so this excuse-Golding disease that much of the board has is simply bull shite armchair QB nonsense. We're not saying he's God's gift to defensive football or some great DC. What we're saying is that our experience and depth on our defensive front 7 has been much, MUCH worse in 2019 than it has ever been under Saban, and it's not even close. The signal caller and the guy next to him were both true freshman, and one was playing the position for the first time - and half our Dline was injured for much of the year.
Were saying this is why our defense faltered, and continuing to overly excuse the DC is just bad fans in love with the idea that they know best - that they know more than the coach. It's petty, it's stupid- and unfortunately, it will continue. Because many of us are petty.
Our defense will improve when the dude's playing are older and/or more talented - not before, and changing the DC won't change the talent level
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 7:13 pm
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 4:43 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
quote:Belichick is rumored to be considering parting from the Pats... must be related.
Just settle down and let Nick handle.
Mentor and mentee reunited in T-town with reversed roles, as they ride off into the football sunset together these next few years
Posted on 1/9/20 at 4:48 pm to Shaft Williams
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Leach is the forefather of many of the most successful offenses we see in college football.
I am a little confused by this statement. Sorry if I do not understand what you mean, but in his 18 years as a HC he has only won his division twice and won more then 9 games twice. Once while at TTech and the other while at WSU. Not sure how great those offenses are in 2 conferences that do not play defense for the most part. Also considering when he arrived in the PAC 12 it was in a decline.
So not sure what you are equating success to in this regards.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 4:51 pm to TidalSurge1
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If you think Golding is not a subpar DC, then back that statement up with specific examples of his good coaching int meetings, good coaching a\t practice, or good Xs and Os come gameday. Nobody ever does.
Our defensive plan looked good much of the year, and I didn't see much to criticize. We ran the same concepts we always run for the most part. All in all, I think both true freshman played well, excepting Lee's speed which is not Golding's fault.
I really liked what Golding did in the final 3rd of the year with moving Jennings and Lewis around and even lining them up inside. It went a long way to hide deficiencies in the middle and get our best playmakers on the field.
Unfortunately, what I saw when our defense was getting worked was defensive lineman not getting off blocks and ILBs thinking rather than reacting due to youth. I saw many players losing one-on-one matchups. And if players lose their one-on-one matchups, then there is no scheme/play to call that will make the individuals better.
Remember, Nick Saban said, I think in early October, (paraphrasing) "These are the players that we have. We can't get any more right now."
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 4:53 pm to TidalSurge1
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If you think Golding is not a subpar DC, then back that statement up with specific examples of his good coaching int meetings, good coaching a\t practice, or good Xs and Os come gameday. Nobody ever does.
I agree and my issue with our D has nothing to do with injuries or inexperience. It is all on Golding and the staff. Our defense for 2 years now has lacked the ability to execute. I understand where a true freshman might have issues adjusting at first to the speed of play or complicated offenses as experience over time will fix that. But we lack technique in our ability to open field tackle, to cover a WR(turn the head), and angle our pursuit. That is solely on the defensive staff.
He might have a great defensive mind when it comes to scheming but Golding lacks the ability to translate it to the players and has yet to put the players in a position to succeed on the field in a consistent manner.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:00 pm to Shaft Williams
Shaft, you’ve been pumping Golding up as a very good DC and now you’re against him. This is some top notch flip flopping 
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:18 pm to Shaft Williams
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How relevant is that when Leach will have SEC athletes? Leach will have more resources at Mississippi State than he's ever had as a head coach. But, this is about Golding. Get his mediocre arse out of here!
Ok, so he gets SEC athletes and goes and plays all the Pac12 defenses? No, he has to play in the toughest division in college football in which he probably overall has less resources available than every other team in the division.
As for Golding, I continue to be in the minority that thinks the defense was actually pretty good all things considered. They weren't perfect, they were inconsistent at times, but they made plays and with more experience will just get better.
It sucks that most of the fanbase aren't able to take things like starting 2 freshman at ILB into perspective, but I'm betting Saban has a different take on it and doesn't give a shite if the fanbase likes it or not.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:25 pm to TidalSurge1
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What's funny on this board is that so many fans are CONVINCED that Golding is not a bad DC and that our defensive woes aren't his fault at all, yet I haven't seen one poster justify this belief with any substantive evidence. It's always something about injuries and true freshman ILBs and or some loud nonsense about the offense just wasn't "good enough". Well, that's a shite take.
If you think Golding is not a subpar DC, then back that statement up with specific examples of his good coaching int meetings, good coaching a\t practice, or good Xs and Os come gameday. Nobody ever does.
And so this excuse-Golding disease that much of the board has is simply bull shite armchair QB nonsense. We're not saying he's God's gift to defensive football or some great DC. What we're saying is that our experience and depth on our defensive front 7 has been much, MUCH worse in 2019 than it has ever been under Saban, and it's not even close. The signal caller and the guy next to him were both true freshman, and one was playing the position for the first time - and half our Dline was injured for much of the year.
Were saying this is why our defense faltered, and continuing to overly excuse the DC is just bad fans in love with the idea that they know best - that they know more than the coach. It's petty, it's stupid- and unfortunately, it will continue. Because many of us are petty.
Our defense will improve when the dude's playing are older and/or more talented - not before, and changing the DC won't change the talent level
There is only 1 person who's opinion matters on the topic. And I'll take his opinion on it over yours all day long.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:36 pm to TideWarrior
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That is solely on the defensive staff.
I disagree. A chef is only as good as his ingredients. And many of our best ingredients had season-ending or lengthy injuries. We also missed on recruiting which everyone knows.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:39 pm to 3down10
Delete. Misread above post.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 5:41 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:40 pm to prevatt33b
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:49 pm to Shaft Williams
Was he the guy Joe Kines shutdown at the end of 2005?
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:59 pm to Cobrasize
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Shaft, you’ve been pumping Golding up as a very good DC and now you’re against him. This is some top notch flip flopping
Hell, that's what I thought too. At 47 I wasn't sure though.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:02 pm to Crimson Wraith
I’m conflicted about Golding. One hand I want him gone but the other I know he had to deal with things that he could not control. I don’t think he is as bad as some make him out to be, but damn! Could you show some damn fire in your belly? If someone is not doing their job, get on them. Show that you care, buddy.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:04 pm to BamaFan107
That's pretty much where I'm at. Like I said in another thread, if he can get our guys to clean up the tackling, then that'll fix a lot of the problems.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:15 pm to BamaFan107
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I’m conflicted about Golding. One hand I want him gone but the other I know he had to deal with things that he could not control.
Exactly where I am
My hope is those things, along with misreads, go away with experience.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:24 pm to Shaft Williams
Good night! Just stop.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:12 pm to Shaft Williams
Well this is a dumb arse take.
Golding is a lot of things but leach has jack shite to do with it.
Golding is a lot of things but leach has jack shite to do with it.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:20 pm to Shaft Williams
Everyone need to accept that Golding isn't going anywhere and I think our Defense will be much better in the fall. Golding will make adjustments in offseason.
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