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I hope the players see all the "the Tide has turned in the SEC" nonsense from the pundits

Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:07 am
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51806 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:07 am
Nearly every news site I've seen over the last two days has written our beloved Crimson Tide off after a single loss to a very good football team. A self inflicted loss, I might add (with most intended respect to the Tigers).

I got some news for the talking heads in the media, Alabama football ain't going no fricking where and it damn sure isn't going to be replaced as a dynasty by Ed fricking Orgeron. After Burrow gets picked #1 by the Dolphins next year, LSU goes back to being an 8-4/9-3 team. They no longer have an elite defense.

I hope the players are seeing all this nonsense and use it as a rallying point to fix the stupid shite that cost us that game.


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Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62798 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:12 am to
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Alabama football ain't going no fricking where

Correct.
Maybe the Sugar bowl with an Iron Bowl win or a Capital one Bowl with an Iron Bowl loss.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14483 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:13 am to
The only reason I don’t buy that is because I need to see what LSU looks like at QB next year and who Orgeron hires when Brady gets pulled away.

This season for them has all the stars aligning. I don’t take it as some shift in conference hierarchy beyond this season.
Posted by bogeypro
North Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4052 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:15 am to
This team is so soft. Previous teams were motivated by this talk, this one is not.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:25 am to
Yea, and we were "turning back into Alabama again" after the Clemson game too. Instead we average the most penalties I can remember an Alabama team averaging since the Shula era.

We're a good team. We're not a great team. It is what it is.

This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 9:26 am
Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 9:45 am to
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Nearly every news site I've seen over the last two days has written our beloved Crimson Tide off after a single loss to a very good football team. A self inflicted loss, I might add (with most intended respect to the Tigers).

I got some news for the talking heads in the media, Alabama football ain't going no fricking where and it damn sure isn't going to be replaced as a dynasty by Ed fricking Orgeron. After Burrow gets picked #1 by the Dolphins next year, LSU goes back to being an 8-4/9-3 team. They no longer have an elite defense.

I hope the players are seeing all this nonsense and use it as a rallying point to fix the stupid shite that cost us that game.


None of the people/pundits I'm paying attention to are saying this. Most people admit Bama is still one of the best teams in the country, but does have defensive issues and doesn't have a great strength of schedule. I've heard no respectable person write off Alabama.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
29097 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:47 am to
It's not just the pundits unfortunately. Other teams think and expect to beat Alabama now. There is blood in the water.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:51 am to
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Other teams think and expect to beat Alabama now. There is blood in the water.


I really don't think that is new, though. I think that happened after 2014.

We used to have teams beaten mentally when they got off the bus. That isn't the case anymore. And, I mean, we still win a lot and have won a bunch of SEC titles and National titles in that stretch.
Posted by DLev45
Member since Aug 2018
719 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:54 am to
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None of the people/pundits I'm paying attention to are saying this. Most people admit Bama is still one of the best teams in the country, but does have defensive issues and doesn't have a great strength of schedule. I've heard no respectable person write off Alabama.


Ditto.

The national verdict I see is that Bama would still be the favorite over all the the other teams in contention for the 4th spot, but the resume sucks right now and is going to be what keeps us out.
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 10:56 am
Posted by bamasgot13
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2010
13619 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:56 am to
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We're a good team. We're not a great team. It is what it is.


We're in a weird spot. We're a great offensive collection of talent. I don't think our scheme has been particularly impressive so much as the talent has just overwhelmed defenses we've played.

We are a so-so team on D. I don't know why that is. Could be the amount of youth starting for us. Could be the injuries. Could be the scheme. Could be some guys just haven't elevated their game like we'd thought/hoped they would (R. Davis, etc.). Likely it's all of those things.

2020 season is going to be a growing pain season, IMO. Possibly like 2010, but for different reasons.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44385 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:57 am to
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Yea, and we were "turning back into Alabama again" after the Clemson game too. Instead we average the most penalties I can remember an Alabama team averaging since the Shula era.

We're a good team. We're not a great team. It is what it is.



Coaching turnover combined with poor replacement hires and a frick ton of recruiting misses on the defensive front 7 have finally caught up with us. Hopefully all the young guys playing so much this year will benefit us in the future, but on the flip side of that none of those young guys really played better than you'd expect a freshman to play. They played OK, for freshmen, when in the past we've had young guys just play well in general.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 10:59 am to
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Yea, and we were "turning back into Alabama again" after the Clemson game too. Instead we average the most penalties I can remember an Alabama team averaging since the Shula era.

We're a good team. We're not a great team. It is what it is.


Yep, I think this was evident before this loss and I don't think much differently of this team after the loss. Played a very tight and poor first half, especially on offense.

Team can be great if they play up to that level - aka find a running game and a pass rush - but still see growing pains.

Defense is young and I thought played well overall considering their limitations and how much they were on the field in the 1st half. Offense also put them on two short fields and didn't gain any first downs.

Moses would have been a big help in coverage and allowing us to be more multiple on defense.

Overall, just hope Bama takes it out on Auburn in the iron bowl and finishes the season strong. Think the defensive toughness will come as the freshman get older and turn into leaders. Offense needs to improve on the line of scrimmage and whole team needs to get more disciplined and get less penalties moving forward.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:02 am to
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Overall, just hope Bama takes it out on Auburn in the iron bowl and finishes the season strong. Think the defensive toughness will come as the freshman get older and turn into leaders. Offense needs to improve on the line of scrimmage and whole team needs to get more disciplined and get less penalties moving forward.


Agree - and I'll be honest, I think that we have - as Aaron Suttles put it in his post-game column - "lost our soul".

That doesn't mean turning into Georgia or Les Miles LSU, but the entire structure with Tua and the WRs and throwing to set up the run is different and weird and not our identity. I'm just not sure we are entirely sure how to craft a team identity around that. Add in the defensive issues, injuries and youth and it kind of snowballed.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9446 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:03 am to
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Ditto.

The national verdict I see is that Bama would still be the favorite over all the the other teams in contention for the 4th spot, but the resume sucks right now and is going to be what keeps us out.


Honestly, I think if we win out we'll get the 4th spot. The national verdict isn't the playoff committee verdict and Alabama is a big brand that draws media attention and ratings.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
51806 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:05 am to
We're a two TD favorite against any team in the country except LSU or OSU.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:07 am to
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We're a two TD favorite against any team in the country except LSU or OSU.



Doesn't mean much to me, at this point. We get an Alabama inflated bump due to the public betting.

We'd be in a dog fight with lots of teams because we have an average unit on one side of the ball.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:07 am to
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Overall, just hope Bama takes it out on Auburn in the iron bowl and finishes the season strong. Think the defensive toughness will come as the freshman get older and turn into leaders. Offense needs to improve on the line of scrimmage and whole team needs to get more disciplined and get less penalties moving forward.


Agree - and I'll be honest, I think that we have - as Aaron Suttles put it in his post-game column - "lost our soul".

That doesn't mean turning into Georgia or Les Miles LSU, but the entire structure with Tua and the WRs and throwing to set up the run is different and weird and not our identity. I'm just not sure we are entirely sure how to craft a team identity around that. Add in the defensive issues, injuries and youth and it kind of snowballed.


The offensive line is what worries me - we haven't been great there since like the 2012/2013 outside of the 2nd half of 2015.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:11 am to
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The offensive line is what worries me - we haven't been great there since like the 2012/2013 outside of the 2nd half of 2015.



Yea - I think we've been pretty good there the 2nd half of this year. We had some issues early against LSU, but I think it was more of recognition and just a nice wrinkle from Aranda early. We run blocked the hell out them in the 2nd half (and they are a good run defense) and pass blocked just fine.

I just think that the RPO style, even with added wrinkles of more pro-style, is hard to be dominant with up front.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:17 am to
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I just think that the RPO style, even with added wrinkles of more pro-style, is hard to be dominant with up front.


Ya, i have a hard time gauging them. They definitely looked good in the 2nd half and I have been waiting and hoping this oline coach that came with Sark would help us get there.

I still am holding confidence in Sark and Golding - Sark definitely had some poor play calls IMO, but we looked great in the 2nd half. Tua coming back rusty and all, plus LSU definitely throwing some wrinkles definitely had us confused.

Coming back like we did in the 2nd half made me much more confident in this teams makeup. They looked like they were about to fold, but showed a lot of toughness - which may prove to be an inflection point for this team moving forward.
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 11:18 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:18 am to
I wasn't too thrilled with what Sark did in the first half and the time mgt stuff, but all in all I'm happy with him.

I'll be curious to see what we look like next year post-Tua. Bryce Young obviously comes from the RPO scheme, as do most kids these days, so I assume it will still be similar........but I'll be interested to see if we get a little more run heavy.
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