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re: I hope the players see all the "the Tide has turned in the SEC" nonsense from the pundits
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:19 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:19 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Agree - and I'll be honest, I think that we have - as Aaron Suttles put it in his post-game column - "lost our soul".
That doesn't mean turning into Georgia or Les Miles LSU, but the entire structure with Tua and the WRs and throwing to set up the run is different and weird and not our identity. I'm just not sure we are entirely sure how to craft a team identity around that. Add in the defensive issues, injuries and youth and it kind of snowballed.
Passing the ball is more efficient than running it.Clemson does fine and maintains physicality on offense running a pass heavy spread. We don't have an identity on offense because Lockskey and Sark don't have identities as playcallers. We started throwing the ball more with Kiffin anyway. Lane has a very clear philosophy on offense though. You spread them out and make them run sideline to sideline until they get tired and then you bring the hammer down on them with a power back running off tackle and vertical passes. RPOs and slants are not an identity. They are plays.
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Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:20 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I'll be curious to see what we look like next year post-Tua. Bryce Young obviously comes from the RPO scheme, as do most kids these days, so I assume it will still be similar........but I'll be interested to see if we get a little more run heavy.
I think it will be, we got under center a couple times against LSU, so would love to see that moving forward.
We ran the ball like 10+ times in the first half but were only getting two yards a carry. Najee was a little indecisive but in the 2nd half he was doing one stutter step then accelerating to whatever hole he saw and was much better (along with blocking).
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:23 am to Robot Santa
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Passing the ball is more efficient than running it.Clemson does fine and maintains physicality on offense running a pass heavy spread. We don't have an identity on offense because Lockskey and Sark don't have identities as playcallers. We started throwing the ball more with Kiffin anyway. Lane has a very clear philosophy on offense though. You spread them out and make them run sideline to sideline until they get tired and then you bring the hammer down on them with a power back running off tackle and vertical passes. RPOs and slants are not an identity. They are plays.
Well, Locksley and Sark also didn't grow up in this offense - especially Sark (Locks grew up in the spread, but not quite this version of it).
I'm not talking about passing vs running, necessarily. I'm talking about meshing our head coach and program philosophy with what we do on offense. And you mention Clemson, but there aren't very many other places that have figured out how to mesh those two things together. Passing the ball is more efficient when you do it well, and in most parts of the field. But when your entire run offense is geared around plays where the offensive line pass blocks, you aren't going to be as physical. We've added quite a few run specific stuff this year and it shows, IMHO, but it's still different.
Oklahoma - as an example - runs very little RPO. Riley says that almost 80-85% of their runs are called runs with the o-line run blocking. And they maintain a true power running game in addition to their passing.
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 11:24 am
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:26 am to Robot Santa
I think it was a lack of technique, not a lack of being physical.
Hell there was an LSU player laid out on damn near every other play is seemed like.
Hell there was an LSU player laid out on damn near every other play is seemed like.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:26 am to bamarep
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I think it was a lack of technique, not a lack of being physical.
Hell there was an LSU player laid out on damn near every other play is seemed like.
I thought Aranda schemed us a little early but the 2nd half the offensive line was destroying people.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:27 am to Robot Santa
Said that beautifully and I agree 100%.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 11:56 am to SummerOfGeorge
This. We have a great passing offense, but otherwise we are just good. And I would even argue below average on defense.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 2:01 pm to bamarep
They have been proclaiming the Bama run "over" pretty much every single loss since 2012.
Every single loss the same narrative comes up.
It's wishful thinking.
Every single loss the same narrative comes up.
It's wishful thinking.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:04 pm to bamarep
The last people to see reality are the fans. The indicators of decline are there, and they are real. Everyone see's it but most of us...
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:17 pm to stomp
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The last people to see reality are the fans. The indicators of decline are there, and they are real. Everyone see's it but most of us...
Maybe so but at the same time they have literally been saying Saban/Alabama's run is done after EVERY SINGLE LOSS since Johnny Manziel came to Tuscaloosa and put on a show (Bama won another NC that very same year of course).
Then it was Gus Malzahn's offense showing that the game had passed Saban by. Then it was Hugh Freeze's Ole Miss teams winning back to back showing that Alabama was no longer elite.
Now I guess it is LSU again after a 5 point loss.
Eventually they will be right and this elite run of Alabama will be over, but you'll have to understand if the fans that have been hearing that since 2012 are going to take a wait and see approach.
Nobody except Clemson has shown that they can sustain against Alabama for multiple years and even Clemson has really only showed they could trade blows for like a 4-5 period so far (they do look like they have their own consistent "dynasty" type run going though).
This was a HUGE win for LSU and maybe it does signal a changing of the guard. But we have heard that before.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:20 pm to elposter
There's a difference in someone else being the undisputed #1 and Alabama falling back to a pack of a handful of very good teams.
I don't see #1. I definitely see #2.
I don't see #1. I definitely see #2.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:28 pm to bamarep
LSU talked all week. The media talked all week. LSU came into OUR HOUSE and guess what happened......they took our SEC title away. This defense is soft and the worst of the Saban era. If all that talking from LSU and the media didn’t fire them up, nothing will
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:32 pm to SummerOfGeorge
2020 is going to be a real struggle for The King. I will assume we lose all these good JR's to the NFL. Then again every other team is going to lose good JR's as well. Redshirting good talent is mostly a waste of planning since getting 4 years is hard enough.
Posted on 11/11/19 at 3:37 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Yea I'm not sure what to expect in 2020. Obviously will depend on who stays/goes.
Think we'll be pretty good, but who knows how good.
Think we'll be pretty good, but who knows how good.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:57 am to SummerOfGeorge
For 2020, I'm hoping SC fires Muschamp this Christmas so we can get a veteran DC back on the staff.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 12:58 am
Posted on 11/12/19 at 1:07 am to stomp
Read today he is safe but will prolly have to make staff changes according to footballscoop
Posted on 11/12/19 at 2:26 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Well, Locksley and Sark also didn't grow up in this offense - especially Sark (Locks grew up in the spread, but not quite this version of it).
I'm not talking about passing vs running, necessarily. I'm talking about meshing our head coach and program philosophy with what we do on offense. And you mention Clemson, but there aren't very many other places that have figured out how to mesh those two things together.
This is the exact problem I’ve been alluding to.
We don’t have an OC who is truly new school.
The solution is that our head coach needs to mesh with the new formula of dominant football. Our OC, whoever he is, needs to stop trying to mesh with Saban, and the old school way. We need to go all in with this new offensive philosophy.
LSU, OSU, and Clemson are perfect models of what the elite modern programs look like. You have a CEO at head coach, and a lot more emphasis is placed on the coordinators. It’s actually perfect for an older head coach. Saban needs to stick around for messaging and overall direction, but philosophically, and schematically, he needs to let the coordinators run the show. I think he’s already doing this to some degree, but our coordinators suck right now.
Let a young guy run our offense, and find somebody - anybody - who has proven they can slow down these new offenses, to run our defense.
Saban needs to go out and get the very best coordinators in the country, and ride out the latter part of his career.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 2:33 am
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