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re: How does Troy have a better offense and offensive scheme than Bama?
Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:11 am to Eli Goldfinger
Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:11 am to Eli Goldfinger
Because we have an overpaid coaching staff that is overrated and when you combine that with our weak schedule in one of the weakest conferences in country it only magnifies the issue even more. 
I say fire our staff and hire the Troy staff and join a group of 5 conference.
I say fire our staff and hire the Troy staff and join a group of 5 conference.
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 2:58 pm to River_City_Tider
It could be a few things but after we ran right down the barns throat in the start of the second half, we abandoned it. The long developing plays also made 0 sense. Speed should be the name of the game from this point forward.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 3:08 pm to CrimsonBoz
That first drive of tbe 3rd qtr was a thing of beauty, but the coaching staff totally abandoned those plays the rest of the game.
The lack of offensive continuity makes me crazy.
The lack of offensive continuity makes me crazy.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:09 pm to Eli Goldfinger
I hate our offense. I realize we have to scheme around having a below average passer but we don't even do a good job of that. We should be a smash mouth team. We have a few really good running backs and they have been horribly mismanaged this year. Damien destroyed every defense we played against yet rarely got the ball against auburn. They have no business asking Hurts to take 5 and 7 step drops to scan the field and fire deep or intermediate passes. Let the kid execute like rpo and short passes. Scheme up enough passing plays to compliment our running game. Trying to mix the rpo offense with a pro style drop back game is terrible with Hurts imo. I think we could win it all with Hurts this year if the staff changed their gameplan and gave Harris 20 carries. They are millionaire coaches and I am a shitty, spoiled fan so what do I know.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:26 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Ok. That explains Dabol but it doesn’t explain Saban’s part in all this.
I mean half of the board says Saban is playing the wrong quarterback. The other half criticizes that notion prima facie because it is silly to question Saban.
But then many of these same people argue for revamping the offense for Hurts. So it begs the question, why didn’t Saban revamp the offense along time ago.
And I’ll not even get into all the questioning of where and which offensive linemen play.
The only explanation possible is that even great coaches don’t know how players are going to react against the beat completion until they see them do so in live action.
That’s the only reasonable option. Other wise we’re basically saying Saban doesn’t know how to coach an offense.
And assuming that premise is correct, then I would not be surprised if Saban yanks Jalen, having already seen him fail v Auburn, whereas he would not during the Auburn game.
And I’m also skeptic that we run the RPO good enough to just switch to it exclusively for the biggest game of the year. Better to run our established offense with a new quarterback who is capable of doing so.
I mean half of the board says Saban is playing the wrong quarterback. The other half criticizes that notion prima facie because it is silly to question Saban.
But then many of these same people argue for revamping the offense for Hurts. So it begs the question, why didn’t Saban revamp the offense along time ago.
And I’ll not even get into all the questioning of where and which offensive linemen play.
The only explanation possible is that even great coaches don’t know how players are going to react against the beat completion until they see them do so in live action.
That’s the only reasonable option. Other wise we’re basically saying Saban doesn’t know how to coach an offense.
And assuming that premise is correct, then I would not be surprised if Saban yanks Jalen, having already seen him fail v Auburn, whereas he would not during the Auburn game.
And I’m also skeptic that we run the RPO good enough to just switch to it exclusively for the biggest game of the year. Better to run our established offense with a new quarterback who is capable of doing so.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:38 pm to Tide or Die87
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Moooooooo
Go back to BamaOnline with your pussy arse bullshite. We don’t pump sunshine up your arse here.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:36 pm to phlux
Look with our talent we should be able to run any style offense we decide to run...We just have to commit to a philosophy. Bashing players does no good because they re only gonna try to execute the plan that has been given them. This is on daboll , and I think he ll fgr it out bfr January 1st. The problem I have with a few select opinions is its constant negative criticism from some and it's the same whining and bitching instead of believing in our players and coaches. We can win it all and have been given the chance to do so.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:18 pm to Bamainva40
Well said, Jalen can only run what is called. OC needs to figure it out.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:25 pm to Bamainva40
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Youd be guessing wrong , I actually was a pretty good athlete but u made an assumption and u know what they say about assuming.
I'll step it up a level, you didn't compete in d1 athletics, most notably in the sec. I held a record in my state for well over a decade, that the current wr holder didn't break. And he's from my state, and 4 years younger. Your good at sports is likely mediocre af in reality.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:33 pm to MoarKilometers
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I'll step it up a level, you didn't compete in d1 athletics, most notably in the sec. I held a record in my state for well over a decade, that the current wr holder didn't break. And he's from my state, and 4 years younger. Your good at sports is likely mediocre af in reality.
What the hell does this have to do with discussing whether Troy is better on offense than us?
The greatest college football coach of all time played in the MAC. He seems to be ok at evuating football things.
Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:53 pm to Bamainva40
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Look with our talent we should be able to run any style offense we decide to run...We just have to commit to a philosophy. Bashing players does no good because they re only gonna try to execute the plan that has been given them. This is on daboll , and I think he ll fgr it out bfr January 1st. The problem I have with a few select opinions is its constant negative criticism from some and it's the same whining and bitching instead of believing in our players and coaches. We can win it all and have been given the chance to do so.
You nailed it!
Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:23 pm to Panthers4life
I only gave my opinion , I didn't expect to get in a debate with Jim from Tuscaloosa about his glory days as an athlete smh.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 9:58 am to Bamainva40
All that said, our garbage time offense with Tua looks absolutely amazing
Like I've said a dozen times, it's hard to scheme around a QB that can't throw in the SEC, and I disagree with the notion that Hurts is better than Bryant.
Kiffin couldn't do it with Jalen either.
Maybe we should hire a HS coach just for Jalen, or we could roll with a more pro-style QB considering Saban has ALWAYS wanted Bama to be pro-style
Like I've said a dozen times, it's hard to scheme around a QB that can't throw in the SEC, and I disagree with the notion that Hurts is better than Bryant.
Kiffin couldn't do it with Jalen either.
Maybe we should hire a HS coach just for Jalen, or we could roll with a more pro-style QB considering Saban has ALWAYS wanted Bama to be pro-style
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:11 am to CAbamafan
Bryant is very mistake prone , jalen is more heady with the ball and the metrics show he isn't as bad downfield as the narrative that is being put out there.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 10:43 am to Bamainva40
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Bryant is very mistake prone , jalen is more heady with the ball and the metrics show he isn't as bad downfield as the narrative that is being put out there.
Have you ever watched film on Bryant? Stats are bullshite
Hurts is a better (faster) runner than Bryant. Bryant is better in every other way
He makes quicker reads, quicker decisions, quicker release, his passes have more zip, and he's more accurate. He's honestly reminiscent of Deshaun Watson - not as good, but he's the same style of QB
In one game vs Louisville, he made more "wow" throws than Jalen has in 27 games.
The board seems convinced that Bryant is no good based on some stats - bullshite. Bryant is the second best QB we've faced this season, and is definitely better than Hurts
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 10:48 am
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:01 am to CAbamafan
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He's honestly reminiscent of Deshaun Watson - not as good, but he's the same style of QB
LOL what??????????????
Watson destroyed us with incredible throws down the field outside the pocket and on the run. Bryant is one of the worst quarterbacks in the COUNTRY on those throws. If you substituted Bryant in for Watson last season Clemson wouldn't have scored 14 points.
Watson is an elite, Heisman level, NFL starting QB level passer who is also a very very good runner.
Bryant is Blake Sims.
The two aren't even remotely comparable.
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Bryant is the second best QB we've faced this season
He sure as hell isn't better than Patterson or Stidham, and his game is roughly exactly what Fitzgerald did against us. I wouldn't even rank him above Francois.
As for Hurts - I do think Bryant is more decisive and "confident" in his reads/throws than Hurts is. I'd probably give him the edge as a passer. But, it's certainly not some sort of night and day scenario. He also has a ton more easy throws (much like the ones everyone laughed at for Hurts last season) than Jalen does.
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The board seems convinced that Bryant is no good based on some stats - bull shite
Nobody thinks he is "no good" (much like Hurts isn't "no good"). However, he is not Deshaun Watson and if the game comes down to Bryant having to make throws on 3rd and 7 to beat us we are going to eat his lunch.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 11:08 am
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:30 am to SummerOfGeorge
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his game is roughly exactly what Fitzgerald did against us.
And doesn't weigh 240ish, if runs on us like Fitzgerald did, it will take a physical toll on his thin body.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
With George on this, Bryant is quite frankly average. He isn’t the best QB we have faced maybe 4th. The Clemson D will help make up for him some, he is much more turnover prone than Jalen. I’ll take Jalen when the game is close all day.
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:41 am to CrimsonBoz
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With George on this, Bryant is quite frankly average. He isn’t the best QB we have faced maybe 4th. The Clemson D will help make up for him some, he is much more turnover prone than Jalen. I’ll take Jalen when the game is close all day.
I don't want to discount Bryant - he's been solid for them this year. One huge advantage for Clemson and Bryant is on offense they know exactly what they want to do and Bryant is confident in carrying out that plan. However, I think we are very much equipped at disrupting that plan, and I don't think Bryant can improvise and succeed at the adjustments his offensive coaches will have to make.
If Clemson can go sideline to sideline and attack the middle of the field while running for 3.5 YPC then none of it will matter. We'll be in deep shite.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:44 am to SummerOfGeorge
Yeah they are committed to his plan, run and throw short. If we slow that down they will be in trouble especially if we commit to a style.
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