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re: How does Troy have a better offense and offensive scheme than Bama?

Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:50 am to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 11:50 am to
Look at what Auburn and FSU, the 2 defenses they have played as close to ours in terms of team speed and talent, did to Clemson on offense.

FSU game up to 6 minutes left in the 4th when Blackmon threw an awful INT that opened the flood gates
Clemson Offense
- 17 points
- 73 plays, 302 yards (4.14 YPP)

Auburn
Clemson Offense
- 14 points
- 77 plays, 281 yards (3.65 YPP)
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:37 pm to
George have you actually watched Bryant this year?
He's a CLEAR better passer than Hurts in the same way Tua is. You don't need stats to see it - you can see it in watching 5 passes.

Also your whole diatribe about how he isn't as good as Deshaun Watson - isn't that exactly what I said? I said he's the same style, which is completely true. He's NOT Blake Sims. He's not a running back playing QB.

He has a real throwing ability, and he'll definitely get an opportunity at the next level unlike Blake Sims. He's made some cross hash throws this year completely on the money (NFL throws). He also has the same running ability as Deshaun
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:41 pm to
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George have you actually watched Bryant this year? He's a CLEAR better passer than Hurts in the same way Tua is. You don't need stats to see it - you can see it in watching 5 passes.


I have. He's very confident and throws a solid ball within 10 yards. He knows what he is doing and is good at making quick, confident throws. He's also very good at the 2 option plays in their screen or slant packages. Those are all important for their offense.

He also has at no point shown the ability to hit difficult throws down the field. When teams have limited their quick stuff he (and their offense) have struggled. Immensely.

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He's NOT Blake Sims. He's not a running back playing QB.


He's very similar to Blake Sims. He has a nice arm, makes good throws within the offense and is a threat to move around. He also has problems when the play breaks down and has not shown any ability to put a team on his shoulders and make big, hard throws when the defense he is playing shuts down the offenses first plan. Like I said, if he was the Clemson QB last season we would have won the game by 2 touchdowns and they would have struggled to break 300 yards.

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He has a real throwing ability, and he'll definitely get an opportunity at the next level unlike Blake Sims.


He's literally one of the worst deep ball throwers in college football. Worse than Jalen, in percentage, yards and TD to INT. He's a very good fit for their offense and is comfortable in what they are doing (a sign of very good coaching), but he is not even close to a NFL QB. He is an athletic kid with a good arm and decent touch that has been well coached into a system that fits his talents (and a system that has been molded to fit them, again, a testament to their offensive coaches).

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He also has the same running ability as Deshaun


He's a better runner than Deshaun IMHO. However, Deshuan's scary trait was that he could run away and then make insane throws 20 yards down the field to guys with half a step on a DB. Bryant doesn't have that ability.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 12:44 pm
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
1167 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:57 pm to
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He also has problems when the play breaks down

LINK

That's supposed to link to 11:35
Idk if it will work for you
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16993 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:01 pm to
Not trying to be rude but George takes the time to show where you are wrong and you post a link to 1 play against an awful Card team ? He ran outside long enough for a receiver to get open, stop the train we have a world beater.

Kelly works great in RPO and short passes. His deep pass is plain bad.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:08 pm to
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He also has problems when the play breaks down

LINK

That's supposed to link to 11:35


is this the kind of throw that you are claiming that Jalen cannot make?

honestly, Hurts has a strong arm, and we have seen him make pretty much "all the throws." His problem is confidence in his arm IMO. That is one difference I see after watching some Bryant highlights. If Jalen would just trust himself, then it would do wonders. Apart of that though IMO is poor pass blocking. I feel like he hasn't been able to get totally comfortable back there against good defensive fronts.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:14 pm to
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CAbamafan


One roll out throw against a terrible Louisville pass defense? I mean, I could post a few of those from Jalen too. I don't think that would (or should) change the overall view of his abilities on busted plays to see the field and make throws deep.

Jalen to Ridley - 50 yards in the air on the run in stride (9:20 mark)

This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
1167 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 2:07 pm to
I hope you're right George. I hope that Bryant is a relative nobody like you say. Idk how to make a "solid argument" based on my observations. Just watch all of his film, and you'll see that he routinely makes great throws. Clemson isn't afraid to let him pass the ball.

Maybe he'll look like a deer in the headlights against us, but my bet is that he'll make more than a few big-time throws to Renfroe

And btw, I think Jalen is great at passing on the move. Ive always said his problem is in anticipating and making quick decisions.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 2:12 pm
Posted by Bamainva40
Member since Nov 2017
1677 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 2:12 pm to
In response to the stats don't mean shite...Well yeah they do. Bryant is terrible down field and not "better than jalen in every way". As George stated jalen just needs to be more confident in his throws. Bryant is solid but let's not act like he's the 2nd coming of Watson. It's sad some of our own can't give jalen any credit and will degrade him at every turn to prop up an opposing player that's the same or worse.
Posted by River_City_Tider
Javksonville
Member since Nov 2015
881 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:44 pm to
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It's sad some of our own can't give jalen any credit and will degrade him at every turn


We just want to win the game dude. We just want to win. Its not personal. It is a matter of a lack of confidence.

If Jalen starts, everyone will be 100% behind him. But we want to see changes if the offense isn't getting it done.

That seems fair to me.
Posted by Bamainva40
Member since Nov 2017
1677 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 3:51 pm to
Fair enough
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