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re: Henry Ruggs: car accident kills others, faces 2-20 years charged w/ DWI
Posted on 11/4/21 at 10:53 am to JustGetItRight
Posted on 11/4/21 at 10:53 am to JustGetItRight
quote:That is legally one of the main reasons that jurors are dismissed. I probably wouldn’t be able to serve on a capital case because I have extreme reservations about the death penalty being ever used (for example, I would never consider it in a case like this, just my views). As you would be excused if they thought you might vote against conviction in a marijuana drug case if you don’t believe marijuana should be illegal. It would naturally sway your decision making and is therefore an inherent bias. I’m not positive, but I wouldn't be surprised if they’d consider excusing you as well for having a view that the law is too lenient rather than too harsh for the same reasons. It naturally impacts our judgement.
So you think someone is incapable of rendering fair jury service based on what they feel the law should be? Got it. I guess it's ok that we, say, start striking everyone who feels marijuana should be legal from any trial where drugs are involved because clearly their personal feelings would change the way they view evidence of guilt or innocence.
Not trying to judge or be mean at all, which I realize I probably was yesterday. You are totally entitled to all your previously stated opinions even though we disagree, not saying anything about that. But just thought I’d comment back about the juror part.
This post was edited on 11/4/21 at 11:15 am
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Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:02 pm to Skybox_rtr
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That is legally one of the main reasons that jurors are dismissed. I probably wouldn’t be able to serve on a capital case because I have extreme reservations about the death penalty being ever used (for example, I would never consider it in a case like this, just my views). As you would be excused if they thought you might vote against conviction in a marijuana drug case if you don’t believe marijuana should be illegal. It would naturally sway your decision making and is therefore an inherent bias. I’m not positive, but I wouldn't be surprised if they’d consider excusing you as well for having a view that the law is too lenient rather than too harsh for the same reasons. It naturally impacts our judgement.
Having been a participant in a few dozen jury voir dire processes over a couple of decades involving everything from capital murder to high level public corruption, I can tell you in all my memory I can't remember one single time where our prosecutors asked what potential jurors thought would be an appropriate penalty for a crime should be. There were obviously times where jurors were asked their feelings on particular activities but these were usually followed up with questions about a juror's ability to weigh the evidence impartially regardless of their feelings. Jurors that said they couldn't be impartial would be struck but those that said (and seemed sincere) they could be wouldn't necessarily be struck. I used the marijuana example specifically because there are lots of people that think it should be legal but would have no problem convicting a trafficker.
Totally unrelated, but the selection process especially behind the scenes is really interesting. I would very often be tasked with watching the pool while other jurors were being questioned. We non-attorneys were supposed to watch for things like visceral reactions to questions being asked to the current candidate, strange behaviors, inattentiveness, etc. Those things would get you tossed just like the way you answered a question.
ETA - you have been just fine. This is an emotionally charged issue that has been discussed pretty much like rational adults should be about to do.
This post was edited on 11/4/21 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:07 pm to JustGetItRight
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When police arrived at the crash site, Ruggs refused to participate in a field sobriety test, the reports state. Instead, two blood draws were later taken at the hospital. A prosecutor on Wednesday said that the football player’s blood alcohol level was more than twice Nevada’s legal limit for drivers.
‘A terrible, terrible collision’
Once at the hospital, Ruggs was placed in trauma bed No. 1, where investigators would attempt to interview him around 4:30 a.m.
According to the impaired driving report, Ruggs repeatedly yelled “No!” from his hospital bed when investigators asked if he remembered what had happened.
“I asked Ruggs if he could open his eyes, to which he did not respond,” police wrote in the report. “I asked Ruggs where he was going, to which he stated he was going home.”
Police noted in the report that he was slurring his words.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:09 pm to UASports23
Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:26 pm to UASports23
Why would anyone want to watch that?
Posted on 11/4/21 at 1:53 pm to JustGetItRight
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Totally unrelated, but the selection process especially behind the scenes is really interesting. I would very often be tasked with watching the pool while other jurors were being questioned. We non-attorneys were supposed to watch for things like visceral reactions to questions being asked to the current candidate, strange behaviors, inattentiveness, etc. Those things would get you tossed just like the way you answered a question.
As a result of my experiences with speaking to jurors after trials, I am of the opinion that the American justice system would be better served by having professional jurors.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:13 pm to Robot Santa
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As a result of my experiences with speaking to jurors after trials, I am of the opinion that the American justice system would be better served by having professional jurors.
God help you if your fate is in the hand of your so-called peers. The average person is an idiot. Look at the voters in this country.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 2:45 pm to 14&Counting
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God help you if your fate is in the hand of your so-called peers. The average person is an idiot.
It's not just the idiots who can give you heartburn. There are people out there who want to be on juries and despite some pretty obvious bias on their part they never say the magic words ("I can't be impartial"), which sometimes forces you to pick between the middle aged, college educated mother of 3 who will listen to and understand the evidence but is obviously biased against your position and some deadbeat 19 year old high school dropout who looks like he probably smoked a blunt before heading to the courthouse.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 3:18 pm to JustGetItRight
quote:It seems like you have a lot of experience with that side of things, so I’ll take your word for it. I guess the barometer is then if folks can honestly say that they will be impartial and their actions will show that as well. The trafficker part makes sense too, I thought you were just referring to an average grower or the like. I think it that case your views on marijuana growing and it’s legality would probably be taken into stronger consideration.
Having been a participant in a few dozen jury voir dire processes over a couple of decades involving everything from capital murder to high level public corruption, I can tell you in all my memory I can't remember one single time where our prosecutors asked what potential jurors thought would be an appropriate penalty for a crime should be. There were obviously times where jurors were asked their feelings on particular activities but these were usually followed up with questions about a juror's ability to weigh the evidence impartially regardless of their feelings. Jurors that said they couldn't be impartial would be struck but those that said (and seemed sincere) they could be wouldn't necessarily be struck. I used the marijuana example specifically because there are lots of people that think it should be legal but would have no problem convicting a trafficker.
quote:Well I’m glad to hear that. I know it’s emotionally charged and brings up a lot of views one way or the other on a important topic, our justice system, so I respect the way you’ve voiced your views as well, albeit very different than mine.
ETA - you have been just fine. This is an emotionally charged issue that has been discussed pretty much like rational adults should be about to do.
This post was edited on 11/4/21 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 11/4/21 at 5:41 pm to UASports23
In that video all I can think about is that poor girl in the flames of that car.
Posted on 11/4/21 at 6:28 pm to Chad4Bama
Horrific for everyone involved. A life was lost and a whole lot of lives were forever changed....
Posted on 5/2/23 at 12:40 pm to LATIDER
Reports: Former Alabama WR Henry Ruggs III to Plead Guilty in Las Vegas DUI Case (SI)
The former Crimson Tide wideout is accused of driving drunk and causing a crash that killed a Las Vegas woman and her dog in November 2021.
The former Crimson Tide wideout is accused of driving drunk and causing a crash that killed a Las Vegas woman and her dog in November 2021.
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According to a plea agreement presented Tuesday, Ruggs will serve three to 10 years in the Nevada state prison. His next court date is May 10, when he is expected to formally plead guilty.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 12:57 pm to Alabama_Fan
I enjoyed Henry Ruggs as an Alabama player, and was excited for him to become a professional.
Having said that, a three-to-ten-year sentence for his actions is ridiculous. I'm not saying he ought to serve a life sentence, but 3-to-10 is a slap on the wrist for what he did.
Having said that, a three-to-ten-year sentence for his actions is ridiculous. I'm not saying he ought to serve a life sentence, but 3-to-10 is a slap on the wrist for what he did.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 1:01 pm to Sauron
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I'm not saying he ought to serve a life sentence
If you are driving while intoxicated and cause a collision that kills someone, you should get something pretty close to this IMO. It's not murder, but it's a half step below. He should be an old man before he gets out, but will likely be paroled before he turns 30.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 1:14 pm to Alabama_Fan
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serve three to 10 years in the Nevada state prison
That is a travesty to the lady that was killed and her family.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 2:01 pm to East Coast Band
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car accident kills others, faces 2-20 years charged w/ DWI
What a moron.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 2:03 pm to Alabama_Fan
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According to a plea agreement presented Tuesday, Ruggs will serve three to 10 years in the Nevada state prison.
Seems like a pretty sweetheart deal for him. Don't know why the state would go for that.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 3:09 pm to imjustafatkid
Should get the 20 years.
Posted on 5/2/23 at 3:10 pm to imjustafatkid
Anyone read up parole law ?
Posted on 5/2/23 at 4:10 pm to imjustafatkid
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Seems like a pretty sweetheart deal for him. Don't know why the state would go for that.
No criminal history and he can do more good for society out rather than in jail.
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