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Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:20 am to Evolved Simian
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:20 am to Evolved Simian
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Pruitt has 4.5 more years remaining on his contract. He is likely not going anywhere for a very long time, because the dumbasses can't afford to fire him.
You may not know the history of Fatass Phil Fulmer and the Vols very well. He was a OL coach on Johnny Majors staff, when Majors had open heart surgery. Fat Phil stabbed him in the back when he returned and took over as the HC.
The fat tub of shite hired Pruitt in an attempt to cripple BAMA and right now it seems to be imploding before our very eyes. Mark my words, if Pruitt can't right the ship soon, Fulmer WILL fire him and will either name Tee Martin the HC or he will take it over himself.
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:28 am to bamameister
the lsu defense cant stop anyone.
Saban said we have to keep it simple for the 4 freshmen. We cant do all those things you suggest
From Sabans comments after the game, sounds like Lewis is limited in how much he can even play.
Our main problems on defense are the recruiting busts and the crazy injuries. The second string is the first string and the 3rd string is the second string.
They do need to quit recruiting the 5 star mental cases, though.
Saban said we have to keep it simple for the 4 freshmen. We cant do all those things you suggest
From Sabans comments after the game, sounds like Lewis is limited in how much he can even play.
Our main problems on defense are the recruiting busts and the crazy injuries. The second string is the first string and the 3rd string is the second string.
They do need to quit recruiting the 5 star mental cases, though.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:01 pm to IB4bama
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the lsu defense cant stop anyone.
Saban said we have to keep it simple for the 4 freshmen. We cant do all those things you suggest
From Sabans comments after the game, sounds like Lewis is limited in how much he can even play.
Our main problems on defense are the recruiting busts and the crazy injuries. The second string is the first string and the 3rd string is the second string.
They do need to quit recruiting the 5 star mental cases, though.
Why are DBs slow to react to the running game? Why are we getting sloppy with our tackling? Why can't we seal the edges and why are we having constant execution errors in the front 7?
I submit the talent is there, the simplicity and aggression are not. Just because you're sitting in a race car doesn't mean you're going fast.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:11 pm to bamameister
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Lewis
I know some things are better left unsaid but Lewis is overrated and made of glass.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:05 pm to bamameister
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Why are DBs slow to react to the running game? Why are we getting sloppy with our tackling? Why can't we seal the edges and why are we having constant execution errors in the front 7?
You keep raising the same issues, and you keep getting the same answers … and you keep raising the issues again.
For what it's worth …
DBs are slow to react to the running game because we run man coverage much of the time, or a matchup zone. Both of these require DBs to focus on their coverage first. When a QB drops back, the DBs are reading that key to stay in phase with the receiver they're covering. Much of the rushing damage by Ole Miss was done by the scrambling QB, or by the QB when he got the edge on a designed run. That's not necessarily the fault of the DBs.
Getting sloppy with our tackling: I'm not sure that's necessarily the case. We're out of position to make a tackle sometimes, which leads to arm tackles rather than form tackles. Most of the time we're out of position because …
More than half of our front seven Saturday were true freshmen. Not redshirt freshmen: true freshmen. They were in high school this time last year, and now they're being forced to play D1 football against guys who might be four or five years older than them, with multiple years in their offensive systems. It's not a recipe for the type of Alabama defense we've learned to appreciate.
That is also the reason we're having issues sealing the edges and having regular (not constant) execution errors in the front seven. Many of these guys have a grand total of five D1 games under their belts. When we have one, maybe two, freshmen starting on defense, they can be guided by the experienced players around them. When you have one senior in your front seven, there aren't enough experienced players to provide that guidance in-game. Expecting them to be up to the level of our normal standard is absurd.
I don't know a ton about defense, but it seems to me we're focusing on keeping plays in front of us for now. We're reading and reacting more than attacking. From a defensive standpoint, it's frustrating. From a long-term goal standpoint, it makes perfect sense. Coach Saban and the defensive staff are willing to trade yards for time, in the belief that we'll score enough early enough to put more pressure on the other team and provide a buffer for our young defense.
I'm hopeful this scheme will change as the players gain more experience. We'll see, though. In the end, the goal is to lift the trophy. Since we're ranked either 1 or 2 in the polls at the moment, we've done what we need to do to position ourselves accordingly.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:16 pm to Sauron
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You keep raising the same issues, and you keep getting the same answers … and you keep raising the issues again.
I actually keep raising many different symptoms of the problem. In reality, I'm raising the same solutions. Odd, you missed that.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:31 pm to bamameister
Hate to beat that horse but a lot of the issues are youth and inexperience . As others alluded, some of the guys going against our young ones have been in a system, 3-4 years in a weight program, and have seen a lot of schemes , wrinkles , etc thrown at them . I noticed Saturday our linebackers missing a ton of plays and it was not physical , just mental mistakes. They are less than a year removed from HS and are used to “see ball, get ball” type if systems where they were the top dogs on the field . They are easily fooled with misdirection and fail to cover cutback lanes. All this is correctable . Will they be what we are used to seeing out there this year ? Probably not , time will tell. Losing our 2 LBs was a worst case scenario obviously and the coaches are trying to mask this the best they can IMO. Thank god we have the offense we do this year. It will get better.
For the record , I hate seeing it too but it’s what we have right now . I can assure you , exotic blitzes and coverages are in the playbook. Have been to too many clinics and heard Saban and some of the other coaches speak over the years , it is a complicated playbook
For the record , I hate seeing it too but it’s what we have right now . I can assure you , exotic blitzes and coverages are in the playbook. Have been to too many clinics and heard Saban and some of the other coaches speak over the years , it is a complicated playbook
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:33 pm to bamameister
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I actually keep raising many different symptoms of the problem. In reality, I'm raising the same solutions. Odd, you missed that.
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but if you insist … I ignored the "solutions" you continue to raise because they're infantile and asinine.
"Simplify! Attack more! Be more aggressive! Golding sucks!"
Let's take these in order.
Simplify: Both Saban and Golding have already stated the defense has been simplified considerably. That was done before the first game, when our two starting ILBs went down.
Attack more / Be more aggressive: There is a risk / reward element to this approach. When you have experience and talent throughout your defense (as Pruitt did in 2016 and 2017), you can be much more aggressive, knowing that each player can be depended upon to do what they're supposed to do in a given play. When you only have talent, it's much more likely that one or more players will be in the wrong place, or doing the wrong thing. In that case, your attacking philosophy can result in easy scores … which can in turn demoralize a young defense.
If I recall correctly, in another thread you asked about the "exotic blitzes" we used to run, and wondered why we're not doing that now to get to QBs. Same deal: Blitzing a lot, by definition, leaves a hole in your defense. And with modern RPO / quick-pass offenses, it's difficult to get to the QB in time to make the blitz pay off. Not impossible, mind you; just difficult.
I'm fairly confident some of our "exotic blitzes" will be seen later in the year. I believe we haven't shown them yet, because we haven't needed to do so. (Now, I may be wrong about that; we might not have those types of blitzes in our playbook. I'd be surprised if we didn't, though.)
Golding sucks: I don't believe it's fair to make any sort of judgment about Golding's abilities yet. He's been hamstrung by injuries and youth this season, and none of us actually know what the deal was late last season. (Was he calling the defense? If so, when did it start? If he was, how much autonomy did he have?)
For what it's worth, I'm frustrated by the defense at this point, too. But I also think we're doing the best we can, schematically and technically, given the less-than-ideal hand we've been dealt.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:41 pm to Sauron
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"Simplify! Attack more! Be more aggressive! Golding sucks!"
Ole Miss rushed for a net 279 yards. The last time the Crimson Tide gave up more rushing yards was against Ohio State in Jan. 2015. The Buckeyes rushed for 281 yards, led by a gaudy 11.5 yards-per-carry average by Ezekial Elliott. The last SEC game the Tide yielded more was the 2013 Auburn game when the Tigers rushed for 296 yards.
It's easy to say it's early yet and ole miss plays a weird and quirky offense, yep and so do the barners. And in this league, it gets late early. Our next game will be the halfway mark.
The now 2-3 Ole Miss Rebels ran 88 offensive plays. If anyone was wondering just why things snowballed against our defense in the 4th quarter, there you go. Let's try this, let's do something about ole miss ability to sustain a crap offense for 4 quarters. The QB can't throw and mostly he was just running around and making stuff up as he went. Memphis held the rebels to 10 points, California held them to 20 points, and even the worse SEC defense in the West, Arkansas, gave up 31. Stats say they all did better or no worse than out effort.
Christian Harris can't identify when he has coverage. It got him a seat against SC and our DBs are still having to line the kid up correctly. How in the world is a kid who played safety in high school not getting this?
We are still taking lousy angles to the ball. Not sure at this point of the season if we aren't just looking at another constant part of the Golding tenure. Shouldn't these kinks be getting worked out by now? And so it goes as the same crapfest continues.
As I said, it gets late real early in the SEC. These aren't just games being played, these are blueprints being passed around.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:29 pm to bamameister
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The now 2-3 Ole Miss Rebels ran 88 offensive plays. If anyone was wondering just why things snowballed against our defense in the 4th quarter, there you go.
Well, no. At the start of the 4th quarter, the score was 52-17. I don't have a participation chart by quarter in front of me, but I'd be willing to bet a large chunk of our defense at that point consisted of second- and third-string players (which, due to injury, would normally be third- and fourth-string players). I suspect that contributed greatly to Ole Miss' success in the fourth quarter.
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Let's try this, let's do something about ole miss ability to sustain a crap offense for 4 quarters. The QB can't throw and mostly he was just running around and making stuff up as he went.
We DID do something about Ole Miss' ability to "sustain a crap offense for 4 quarters" -- namely, they didn't do much of anything at all offensively for about 2.5 quarters. We gifted them seven points early in the first quarter. Other than that, they scored 10 points when the game was even remotely in doubt. It was 52-17 at the start of the fourth quarter.
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Memphis held the rebels to 10 points, California held them to 20 points, and even the worse SEC defense in the West, Arkansas, gave up 31. Stats say they all did better or no worse than out effort.
Plumlee was 7-7 passing against Cal for 82 yards, and ran for 53 yards against them. All of that was late in the 4th quarter. He almost led them back to a win (or at least a tie) in that game. This is the same Cal that was ranked 15th last week, before being upset by Arizona State.
Against Alabama, he was 10 of 28 passing (36%). His running ability was the difference, and his running ability is worlds better than Matt Corral. Who, by the way, was the QB in the other games you noted.
Our experience on defense is in the secondary. When you have a bunch of young and inexperienced defenders in your front seven, and you're suddenly facing a very mobile four-star quarterback for whom you have a grand total of six minutes of game film, this type of thing can happen.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 6:50 pm to A-TOWNUAFAN
quote:They had 7 and 6 total tackles each. So, now you are going to gripe about the team rallying to the ball to help each other out?
It’s a problem When both of your ILB’s only have 2 solo tackles each
Posted on 9/30/19 at 6:57 pm to labamafan
quote:I bet you were one of the biggest complainers when his D gave up 35 to Clemson, including 4 TDs in the last 6 possessions to lose a NC. Or gave 43 to OM earlier in the year. Both of those efforts with one of the greatest D's in history. Or how about 23 to Col State with a NC team with many vets on D. IMO, Pruitt is the best DC CNS has had but no one is perfect and everything is not the DC's fault. Golding's aggressive tendencies are being muted by CNS - IMO, for good reason at this moment.
I think we’ve got our head in the sand again. Last year it was the back end. This year it’s the front end that’s struggling. Yes some of it is because of injury but I can’t help but think that a coordinator as good as Pruitt is, he could mask some of these deficiencies with scheme.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 5:36 am to Sauron
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We DID do something about Ole Miss' ability to "sustain a crap offense for 4 quarters" -- namely, they didn't do much of anything at all offensively for about 2.5 quarters. We gifted them seven points early in the first quarter. Other than that, they scored 10 points when the game was even remotely in doubt. It was 52-17 at the start of the fourth quarter.
If you take Bama's defensive stats against both SEC teams we have played so far, SC and Ole Miss, Alabama would have the 118th ranked defense in the nation. That's how bad this stuff is getting.
You're trying to defend the defenseless. (pun intended)
Posted on 10/1/19 at 6:22 am to bamameister
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If you take Bama's defensive stats against both SEC teams we have played so far, SC and Ole Miss, Alabama would have the 118th ranked defense in the nation.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:50 am to bamameister
Hate to tell you this, but Golding doesnt coach all these players. Even Saban is involved in coaching them. Go tell the GOAT how to coach.
There are other factors that you will not listen to. First, we gave them 2 extra possessions. One on the fumbled punt, and second when we blocked the put and scored. Both times the Def and held and had to go right back out on the field.
Plus, we get so far ahead of these teams, that in the 4th qtr our defense is covered up with subs. And, as Saban said we score so fast, the defense has to play more possessions.
You cant just compare stats. We might smash every offensive record that Ala or the SEC has on the books. Does that make our OC the best to ever coach? Heck no it doesnt. But it does put our defense right back on the field when we score in 4 or 5 plays.
There are other factors that you will not listen to. First, we gave them 2 extra possessions. One on the fumbled punt, and second when we blocked the put and scored. Both times the Def and held and had to go right back out on the field.
Plus, we get so far ahead of these teams, that in the 4th qtr our defense is covered up with subs. And, as Saban said we score so fast, the defense has to play more possessions.
You cant just compare stats. We might smash every offensive record that Ala or the SEC has on the books. Does that make our OC the best to ever coach? Heck no it doesnt. But it does put our defense right back on the field when we score in 4 or 5 plays.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 7:52 am to Funky Tide 8
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If you take Bama's defensive stats against both SEC teams we have played so far, SC and Ole Miss, Alabama would have the 118th ranked defense in the nation
SEC Ranks in SEC Only Games
Yards Per Game : #12 (467.5)
Yards Per Play : #6 (5.37)
Points Per Game : #5 (27.0)
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:17 am to IB4bama
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Hate to tell you this, but Golding doesnt coach all these players. Even Saban is involved in coaching them. Go tell the GOAT how to coach.
There are other factors that you will not listen to. First, we gave them 2 extra possessions. One on the fumbled punt, and second when we blocked the put and scored. Both times the Def and held and had to go right back out on the field.
Plus, we get so far ahead of these teams, that in the 4th qtr our defense is covered up with subs. And, as Saban said we score so fast, the defense has to play more possessions.
You cant just compare stats. We might smash every offensive record that Ala or the SEC has on the books. Does that make our OC the best to ever coach? Heck no it doesnt. But it does put our defense right back on the field when we score in 4 or 5 plays.
I don't think it's fair to suggest that Golding or Saban can't coach defense. It is fair to say against certain teams this season we haven't had a defensive answer. I also don't think it's fair to keep blaming our defensive liabilities on youth when we've seen this movie for 2 seasons now.
When Duke came out in the empty set to start the second half, no one looked lost. In fact, we really never looked overly confused the entire game.
When we played NMS, they came out in four wide and we played our Dime a lot of the game. We had timely pressure on the QB and we didn't look young on defense, we didn't look lost, we weren't blowing assignments and we held them to 10 points. Who can bitch about that result?
When we played Southern Miss, they came out in 4 wide, 10 personnel as well. We again put timely pressure on the QB and we went Dime for a lot of the game. We didn't look young on defense, we didn't look lost, and we held a powerful offense averaging at 440 yards a game to 7 points. Who can rightly bitch about that?
Then comes SC and OM and here comes the Nickel and we look like crap for 4 quarters. Not only are we not applying smart pressure to the QB it's almost nonexistent. We set up our defense like a catcher behind home plate. Asking our ILBers to shut down TEs over the middle in this version of the Nickle is a national joke. We lose aggressiveness and in the process of playing on our heels we are out there all day and we wear down.
Same coaches, same players, a different defensive scheme. How does this have anything to do with youth? Golding/Saban, put it any way you like, hasn't figured this aspect of our defense out. Not this year and not last.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:24 am to bamameister
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If you take Bama's defensive stats against both SEC teams we have played so far, SC and Ole Miss, Alabama would have the 118th ranked defense in the nation.
Yes, and if your aunt was plumbed differently, she'd be your uncle.
You're not debating any longer. You're just complaining to complain. You're ignoring any valid (or even semi-valid) points I and others are noting and just parroting the same tired lines.
I'm not pleased with the defense's performance thus far, but I can understand some of the underlying reasons. You don't seem to want to do that, so further conversation is useless.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:29 am to Sauron
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Yes, and if your aunt was plumbed differently, she'd be your uncle.
You're not debating any longer. You're just complaining to complain. You're ignoring any valid (or even semi-valid) points I and others are noting and just parroting the same tired lines.
I'm not pleased with the defense's performance thus far, but I can understand some of the underlying reasons. You don't seem to want to do that, so further conversation is useless.
Did you read my last reply or you just here for the giggles? Quote it and we'll talk specifics.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:46 am to bamameister
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let's do something about ole miss ability to sustain a crap offense for 4 quarters.
Except they didn't. When Bama was up 45-10, OM had a sustained drive for a field goal and a short field drive for a TD. The other 8 drives were punts and one at the end of the half. They didn't sustain shait. They had roughly 250 total yards.
They ran roughshod over us in the latter stages of the 3rd and all of the 4th when we started subbing liberally (see SoG's thread) and gained as many yards in their last 5 possessions as they did in their first 10.
What you're doing is letting the emotional reaction to a bad finish give you a false impression of the entire game.
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