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re: Golding is underwhelming!

Posted on 9/29/19 at 7:56 pm to
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 7:56 pm to
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CNS knows he Golding has some real deficiencies.



Saban knew Golding didn't have as much experience as he wanted yet for the coordinator position, but he really likes the guy. Saban gave him a hell of a raise to keep him from taking the DC job he was offered at Oklahoma and Ole Miss. And then gave him the coordinator job when he eased Tosh out and Lake got $2mil per year to stay at UW.

Saban sees a LOT of potential in Golding. Maybe not as much as he saw in Pruitt, but he badly wanted him to remain on staff.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 8:00 pm to
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Saban knew Golding didn't have as much experience as he wanted yet for the coordinator position, but he really likes the guy. Saban gave him a hell of a raise to keep him from taking the DC job he was offered at Oklahoma and Ole Miss. And then gave him the coordinator job when he eased Tosh out and Lake got $2mil per year to stay at UW. Saban sees a LOT of potential in Golding. Maybe not as much as he saw in Pruitt, but he badly wanted him to remain on staff.


I don't disagree with you. But, having potential means he's not one of the best yet. Maybe Golding will get there. Maybe he won't. In the meantime he has more than enough talent at his disposal to make this a good unit.
Posted by A-TOWNUAFAN
Alabama
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 8:04 pm to
It’s a problem When both of your ILB’s only have 2 solo tackles each
Posted by sukisuki007
Member since Dec 2012
113 posts
Posted on 9/29/19 at 8:38 pm to
My gripe with him is he is slow to make adjustments, and we have no fire on defense. Ol Miss ran three plays and they ran it at will. He called plays last year with experienced Lbs and they both looked stuck in mud last year
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 9:55 pm to
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But, having potential means he's not one of the best yet.


It means the same thing for those five freshmen. Four of them would only be getting sub reps if it weren't for injuries. They are not ready for prime time yet, and it's going to take some time, patience, and teaching to get them there, even though they have a ton of potential.
This post was edited on 9/29/19 at 10:40 pm
Posted by Dick Tracy
Montgomery
Member since Nov 2016
693 posts
Posted on 9/29/19 at 10:02 pm to
Send Golding back where he came from and bring Pruitt back home after 10rc fires him after the season is over.
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24266 posts
Posted on 9/29/19 at 11:34 pm to
I think we’ve got our head in the sand again. Last year it was the back end. This year it’s the front end that’s struggling. Yes some of it is because of injury but I can’t help but think that a coordinator as good as Pruitt is, he could mask some of these deficiencies with scheme.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
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Posted on 9/29/19 at 11:52 pm to
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bring Pruitt back home


Pruitt has 4.5 more years remaining on his contract. He is likely not going anywhere for a very long time, because the dumbasses can't afford to fire him.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9450 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:42 am to
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I think we’ve got our head in the sand again. Last year it was the back end. This year it’s the front end that’s struggling. Yes some of it is because of injury but I can’t help but think that a coordinator as good as Pruitt is, he could mask some of these deficiencies with scheme.


Honestly, the front end wasn't that good besides Quinnen last season. In my opinion the defense looks pretty much the same except the secondary is vastly improved. Last year the LBers were experienced and all around better football players than the two freshman playing now and they looked lost. Now, the two freshman look lost especially Harris more so than Lee. This is on Golden and not because of youth. We've all seen at least 10 games now where Golden is running the defense. That's a large enough body of work to call Golding's tenure at Alabama thus far a failure.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9450 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:44 am to
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Pruitt has 4.5 more years remaining on his contract. He is likely not going anywhere for a very long time, because the dumbasses can't afford to fire him.


If Pruitt is fired I bet Fulmer would coach for the same salary he's getting as AD.
Posted by tattoo
Fantasy Island
Member since Oct 2017
1806 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:48 am to
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LSU won’t roll over and play dead when we go up 14-10. That game yesterday was the same alarm siren Arkansas should have been last year: an overmatched team with a good offensive mind found weak spots in the defense to probe and poke successfully before the Bama staff responded and slowed it down. I don’t think we really ever figured out how to stop it cold, our superior athletes took over. What happens when the team doing the exploiting is not athletically inferior? We’ve got problems and we’d better get them fixed and quickly. That trip to College Station is looking a little worrisome: an athletic, mobile QB who can throw at times with a pretty talented supporting cast.


OM did not roll over and play dead even when Bama went up 45-10.

OM and LSU have a completely different O. LSU has much better players but play a much more conventional scheme than OM did. OM's scheme with an undisciplined runner (very quick and fast) at QB has always been tough on Bama's toughest Ds much less one with 1000 true fr starting.

A&M is a fraud. Bama should win comfortably by 2-3 TDs if not a blowout.

Posted by tattoo
Fantasy Island
Member since Oct 2017
1806 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:10 am to
You're like a 2 year old, "gimme, gimme". But sometimes things are difficult or impossible and sometimes things are not what they seem. But it's understandable for them, not for an adult.

You don't know much.
Posted by tattoo
Fantasy Island
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:17 am to
He adjusted very well in this game. After the first 2 drives, Bama tightened up and shut them down. After Bama went up 45-10 the D and team seemed to loose a bit of focus. The game was over. Flukey plays, subs, tired, etc., allowed OM to score, one on a long pass with 5 secs left, covered well by Alabama. How much better would you fell at 59-24?

People keep saying he called the D last year. We don't know that or if it was true, we don't know when it started or how much autonomy he had. He was NOT the DC, Tosh was. CNS made the change and wanted to retain Golding badly - kept him from OU and OM.
Posted by tattoo
Fantasy Island
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:18 am to
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That's a large enough body of work to call Golding's tenure at Alabama thus far a failure.


That's an idiotic statement.
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
38958 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 6:50 am to
Good lord. No they didnt
Posted by sukisuki007
Member since Dec 2012
113 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:17 am to
Well we will have to agree to disagree. Your idea of adjustments and mine differ. The freshman qb ran all over Bama with the same play all game. No adjustment there. He coached lbs last year and they looked lost. They look the same this year. I know they are young but eventually we will have to quit using the young card and start looking at the coaching. Like others have said Pruitt schemed around our defiencies. I’m just hoping I’m wrong and they will get aggressive when we need them. They play the way they have been playing LSU and Aubie will make us look silly on D.
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
1979 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:04 am to
Saban seemed most irritated about the offense not controlling the ball and the clock. Saban said a couple of weeks ago, the Ala fans just need to be patient with the 4 freshmen we are starting on defense. He said they are not ready to play, but we have to play them. None of that has anything to do with play calling. Why anyone thinks calling plays can magically fix our defense, is just stupid.

By the same logic, I guess our OC is the best in Alabama history?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 10:27 am to
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Ala fans just need to be patient with the 4 freshmen we are starting on defense. He said they are not ready to play, but we have to play them. None of that has anything to do with play calling. Why anyone thinks calling plays can magically fix our defense, is just stupid.



Yep. Not sure what fans were expecting with this defense this year after the losses of McMillan and Moses.
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
1979 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:03 am to
Barrett Jones on wjox said the Ala defense in the past has been able to stop the run from the base defense. He said against Ole Ms they had to make some adjustments with the def backs to stop the run, so that will be something to watch if they cant stop the run from the base defense. Hopefully it had something to do with the speed of the MS QB, plus we didnt really know who they would play at QB. He also said we are going to have to look at defensive stats differently now with the RPOs and skills for the athletes on offense. He basically said the Ala RPO offense is pretty much unstoppable. Jones said we are starting to see defenses back off the line to try to contain the Ala receivers. He said we would have loved to see that back when I played, so we will have to see how Alabama can take advantage of that. Something to watch.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 11:08 am
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14290 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 11:19 am to

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Yep. Not sure what fans were expecting with this defense this year after the losses of McMillan and Moses.


What I wanted was a defensive identity that took advantage of our mismatches. We talk about our 2 freshmen LBers and discuss it like it's an overwhelming issue. As if it's completely shutting off any type of imagination or aggression to attack the enemy with what we do have. Which I'm saying is still more talent than most teams in America and the SEC.

What about Jennings and Lewis? 2 years ago they both were terrorizing QBs off the edge. Now we seldom discuss the overwhelming advantage we should have for 2 mismatches that actually stayed for senior seasons. Instead, we're actually discussing why our defense can't contain the edges. We lost containment on the edges about a dozen times Saturday. Those are execution issues, with seniors in place pure and simple. Where do execution issues come from unless it's when things aren't clear and simple and it's not allowing our defense to play fast and reactionary? Does Golding really think by not dictating the terms to the offense everything is going to be cool?

Our DBs are a strength. They are playing man to man at least 75% of the time. How are we not scheming up blitz packages to take full advantage of our backstops on our D? With pressure, our ILBers have to cover guys about 2 seconds, without pressure we are getting lost in coverage. How is pressure on the QB, not the best friend 2 freshmen LBers could have in coverage?

In truth, coach Saban has always been a conservative defensive coach. He doesn't want to stab you to death, he would rather cut your air off and have you slowly suffocate. We had two problems when we met up with the Johhny Footballs of the world. We were too slow on the edges and we wanted to circle the enemy. For 2 years Johnny made our eyes bleed. LSU would go and attack the guy and roughed him up and easily won both games. Did anyone notice the blueprint? To a degree, but we still have that slow, methodical, circle mentality against running QBs.

I honestly don't believe Golding is calling his own game, philosophically, from the type of reviews he got elsewhere. But it's still his job to stop these spread teams and you aren't stopping them without crossing the opponents LOS and making life scary for the QB, who CANNOT protect themselves in these RPO concepts.
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