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re: FYI John Doe on Milroe
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
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SummerOfGeorge
While you're here, have you and SpreadsheetAg ever compared formulae? So far they've been somewhat accurate with their predictions.
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:20 am to Sl0thstronautEsq
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While you're here, have you and SpreadsheetAg ever compared formulae? So far they've been somewhat accurate with their predictions.
I think his is is comparative result based (which is what I used to do a couple years ago) based on the fact that he has a total yard figure along with a score, instead of overall ranking pts above avg team like what I do now. I actually like his better, it just takes tons of time unless you have time and/or computer skills to manipulate tons of data.
I do not.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 10:21 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:22 am to SummerOfGeorge
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When the hell did this place melt down like this?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:31 am to Shaft Williams
I agreed with this guy when comparing Jalen and Tua because it was clear that Tua had a better command of the passing offense and the 2017 WR corp was stacked.
The big thing is that Tua got on the field several times in the first half of the season and demonstrated this ability with the first team offense. There were times in 2017 where switching out QBs meant the opponent was going to get cooked even worse than if the starter stayed in the game for Alabama.
Simpson got on the field against USF and just stabilized the position enough to win. He made one good throw, everything else was pitch and catch stuff I trust Milroe to do as much as him. Simpson doesn't have a quick release like Tua...would be a big benefit right now considering the OL situation.
I just don't see where Simpson improves this offense. I don't think he brings anything different to the table besides being a less dynamic runner. At least with Milroe we know he can turn a scramble into 50+ yards and he can throw deep away from the defenders and just let the receivers run under it.
The big thing is that Tua got on the field several times in the first half of the season and demonstrated this ability with the first team offense. There were times in 2017 where switching out QBs meant the opponent was going to get cooked even worse than if the starter stayed in the game for Alabama.
Simpson got on the field against USF and just stabilized the position enough to win. He made one good throw, everything else was pitch and catch stuff I trust Milroe to do as much as him. Simpson doesn't have a quick release like Tua...would be a big benefit right now considering the OL situation.
I just don't see where Simpson improves this offense. I don't think he brings anything different to the table besides being a less dynamic runner. At least with Milroe we know he can turn a scramble into 50+ yards and he can throw deep away from the defenders and just let the receivers run under it.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:41 am to Shaft Williams
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Lonergan and Simpson at this moment have better QB skills who can pass the ball.
Wrong. Check the latest SEC quarterback ratings, Milroe has the highest rating in the conference:
Total QBR - SEC
RK
NAME
1
Jalen Milroe
ALA
2
Jayden Daniels
LSU
3
Carson Beck
UGA
4
Jaxson Dart
MISS
5
Brady Cook
MIZ
6
Payton Thorne
AUB
7
Max Johnson
TA&M
8
Graham Mertz
FLA
9
Ken Seals
VAN
10
Joe Milton III
TENN
11
Devin Leary
UK
12
Spencer Rattler
SC
13
KJ Jefferson
ARK
14
Will Rogers
MSST
WEEK
RESULT
QBR PAA PLAYS EPA PASS RUN SACK PEN RAW
5
W40-17at MSST
96.8 9.4 28 8.5 5.5 5.7 -1.9 -0.7 97.1
5
L55-49at MISS
92.7 12.1 55 13.7 13.6 2.6 -2.0 -0.4 90.8
5
W27-20at AUB
91.4 6.6 36 8.4 9.3 -0.9 0.0 0.0 87.1
5
W55-49vs. LSU
91.2 11.9 52 14.0 11.4 3.2 0.0 -0.4 91.5
5
W38-21at VAN
87.9 12.5 53 14.0 16.2 -1.9 0.0 -0.3 92.1
5
L27-20vs. UGA
86.3 3.4 33 4.9 0.1 5.5 -1.7 1.1 74.7
5
W34-22at ARK
58.2 -0.2 39 1.6 3.3 -1.5 0.0 -0.2 48.6
5
L33-14at UK
57.6 -0.3 43 1.0 3.2 -0.6 -1.6 0.0 47.9
5
L38-21vs. MIZ
49.0 -0.6 39 1.1 1.5 0.7 -1.4 0.3 46.0
5
W41-20vs. SC
45.3 -0.8 37 0.8 1.4 0.2 -0.7 -0.1 44.6
5
W33-14vs. FLA
40.9 -1.2 21 -0.1 -0.5 0.0 0.0 0.4 35.7
5
L41-20at TENN
33.6 -5.0 50 -2.0 -0.8 2.1 -2.7 -0.6 26.3
5
L34-22vs. TA&M
20.7 -7.7 36 -5.3 -0.8 -0.8 -4.0 0.3 9.8
5
L40-17vs. ALA
19.1 -8.8 36 -5.3 -4.0 1.9 -2.9 -0.3 7.2
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:45 am to Diego Ricardo
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I agreed with this guy when comparing Jalen and Tua because it was clear that Tua had a better command of the passing offense and the 2017 WR corp was stacked
Comparing the Jalen/Tua debate to what we are currently experiencing is silly. There is no Tua on the team.
The proper comparison is more like Hurts / Blake Barnett.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:25 am to Crimson K
You said the JM will “do great against mediocre defenses but struggle against moderately competent ones”. Do you think TS or DL will do great against mediocre D or not struggle vs moderately competent ones? We’ve seen TS against a bad D and he struggled mightily.
Milroe is easily the best Alabama has at this point. He’s one of the top rated QB’s in the SEC and #14 in the country. Ratings aren’t everything but they do mean something. And the CNS has made his choice clear at this point.
JM is doing this without Devonta, Waddle, Cooper, Ridley, Julio, et al, though the WRs and TE have caught everything. The RBs are mediocre and the OL has been bad though improving to maybe decent now.
JM is clearly improving a lot to any objective observer. The offense looked like a legitimate SEC offense from the 2nd vs OM through MSU, other than the first 2 drives vs MSU. From that point forward he led Bama to 6 scores (3 TDs and 3 FGs) in his last 7 possessions.
Milroe is easily the best Alabama has at this point. He’s one of the top rated QB’s in the SEC and #14 in the country. Ratings aren’t everything but they do mean something. And the CNS has made his choice clear at this point.
JM is doing this without Devonta, Waddle, Cooper, Ridley, Julio, et al, though the WRs and TE have caught everything. The RBs are mediocre and the OL has been bad though improving to maybe decent now.
JM is clearly improving a lot to any objective observer. The offense looked like a legitimate SEC offense from the 2nd vs OM through MSU, other than the first 2 drives vs MSU. From that point forward he led Bama to 6 scores (3 TDs and 3 FGs) in his last 7 possessions.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:28 am to AbSnopes
Those stats are meaningless because the staff doesn't trust Milroe to throw no more than 15 passes a game. Are you saying Milroe is a better QB than Jaden Daniels or Dart from Ole Miss or Max Johnson? Please stop. These stats are just like saying Hurts was 26-2 as a starter.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:33 am to Ten Bears
Milroe can't be compared to Hurts either. Yeah, they have the same name, a similar game, both from Texas, and both black but that's it. Hurts took care of the ball and Hurts was young in his football career. If anything, after three years at Bama Milroe should be better than Hurts was when he was at Bama. Milroe is the cause we are having these conversations. His game is lacking.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:33 am to Shaft Williams
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Those stats are meaningless because the staff doesn't trust Milroe to throw no more than 15 passes a game.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:36 am to Funky Tide 8
Oh okay. 14 of 27 are big-time numbers! This is the second defense he will play with a pulse. He failed the first test. If he fails this second test will you support him losing his job?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:41 am to Diego Ricardo
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I just don't see where Simpson improves this offense. I don't think he brings anything different to the table besides being a less dynamic runner.
I tend to agree. If we had some first round playmakers at the skill position, then maybe Simpson could be the guy….but we don’t have those currently. If it’s a case of Ty just needs real game reps with the 1s to maybe become an elite QB that’s no good either because we don’t have much of a margin of error at the moment.
I’ve been worried about Milroe being the starter since A&M last year but as it is, he’s our only big play threat.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:43 am to Shaft Williams
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Oh okay. 14 of 27 are big-time numbers! This is the second defense he will play with a pulse. He failed the first test. If he fails this second test will you support him losing his job?
Come on man, you said something totally inaccurate, and instead of taking the L, you move the goal post. If Milroe is disastrous in the first half, then clearly 99% of the people on here will support the coaching staffs decision to try someone else if that is what they decide.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:49 am to Shaft Williams
Big fan of UA coaches on YT and I was with him on the Tua/Hurts debate but he's off on this one. He's right when it comes to not reaching our full potential due to Milroe's current inability to get our WRs involved but there isn't a Tua on this roster. There isn't an AJ either.
Simpson and Lonergan are not ready. Can anyone tell me what Ty Simpson has shown at all when he's been on the field? I've never seen a "wow" play from him. Throw him out there vs Texas A&M and you'll be praying for Milroe to come back into the game.
Milroe is our best option and we can win with him. He just has to make better decisions.
I'm more of a Lonergan guy but maybe both will be ready one day just like it took Mac time but this year ain't it. Simpson had his chance to win the team and the job vs USF and only made 1 good play. That's it.
We better hope 4 keeps getting better because he's our guy. Deal with it folks. It's that type of year. Let's play elite defense and run the shite out of the ball...we'll see where it takes us.
I'll say I remember fans across the country(including UGA fans) all saying that Stetson Bennett was incapable of winning a Natty...2 National Titles later...
Simpson and Lonergan are not ready. Can anyone tell me what Ty Simpson has shown at all when he's been on the field? I've never seen a "wow" play from him. Throw him out there vs Texas A&M and you'll be praying for Milroe to come back into the game.
Milroe is our best option and we can win with him. He just has to make better decisions.
I'm more of a Lonergan guy but maybe both will be ready one day just like it took Mac time but this year ain't it. Simpson had his chance to win the team and the job vs USF and only made 1 good play. That's it.
We better hope 4 keeps getting better because he's our guy. Deal with it folks. It's that type of year. Let's play elite defense and run the shite out of the ball...we'll see where it takes us.
I'll say I remember fans across the country(including UGA fans) all saying that Stetson Bennett was incapable of winning a Natty...2 National Titles later...
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:51 am to Funky Tide 8
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Come on man, you said something totally inaccurate, and instead of taking the L, you move the goal post. If Milroe is disastrous in the first half, then clearly 99% of the people on here will support the coaching staffs decision to try someone else if that is what they decide.
I took an L on a misleading statistic. Milroe is not passing the ball well. He is not hitting receivers in stride consistently. Now, as far as the larger conversation Milroe is not a good QB. That's not hating or shitting on him. It's the truth. The guy should be where Jaden Daniels or Jaxon Dart was last year after being at Bama for 2 years previously. I'm not asking for much. But, like I said if Milroe was doing his job well we wouldn't be having these conversations.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:52 am to EGO3x
Milroe isn't near the passer Bennett is.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:57 am to Funky Tide 8
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If Milroe is disastrous in the first half, then clearly 99% of the people on here will support the coaching staffs decision to try someone else if that is what they decide.
That's not what they are saying LOL. These people seem to believe Milroe's running ability will be enough to beat A&M. A&M has a better DL than us. Those guys on A&M's DL are going to cash big NFL checks for a long time to come. Milroe won't be out-athleting A&M. Milroe will have to pass the ball. Do you think his high pass completion rate will hold up against A&M?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:01 pm to Crimson Wraith
You guys have terrible memories. Terrible.
In 2020 Stetson was a laughing stock. A running joke.
Now he's a really good passer...that's my point. You all think you know what a QB is based off of a few games. Guys can improve. Things change. Narratives flip.
But go ahead and mail it in.
In 2020 Stetson was a laughing stock. A running joke.
Now he's a really good passer...that's my point. You all think you know what a QB is based off of a few games. Guys can improve. Things change. Narratives flip.
But go ahead and mail it in.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:02 pm to EGO3x
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You guys have terrible memories. Terrible.
In 2020 Stetson was a laughing stock. A running joke.
Now he's a really good passer...that's my point. You all think you know what a QB is based off of a few games. Guys can improve. Things change. Narratives flip.
But go ahead and mail it in.
dude you might as well just stop there unless you want to get into endless back and fourths with these dudes regarding Milroe's ability.
but this post is about as objective and reasonable as one can be about this situation:
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Big fan of UA coaches on YT and I was with him on the Tua/Hurts debate but he's off on this one. He's right when it comes to not reaching our full potential due to Milroe's current inability to get our WRs involved but there isn't a Tua on this roster. There isn't an AJ either.
Simpson and Lonergan are not ready. Can anyone tell me what Ty Simpson has shown at all when he's been on the field? I've never seen a "wow" play from him. Throw him out there vs Texas A&M and you'll be praying for Milroe to come back into the game.
Milroe is our best option and we can win with him. He just has to make better decisions.
I'm more of a Lonergan guy but maybe both will be ready one day just like it took Mac time but this year ain't it. Simpson had his chance to win the team and the job vs USF and only made 1 good play. That's it.
We better hope 4 keeps getting better because he's our guy. Deal with it folks. It's that type of year. Let's play elite defense and run the shite out of the ball...we'll see where it takes us.
That is the stone cold reality of things, but people just can't, and won't accept it.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:07 pm to Shaft Williams
The offense under Milroe put up 24 points against a terrible Ole Miss defense and 26 points on MSU. Those of you all who think that's good with this stacked roster simply have standards that are too low.
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