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Posted on 1/12/19 at 1:33 pm to Tider95
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The score is so deceptive. Alabama drove the ball fine
While I mostly agree with your statement, they kicked our arse on the scoreboard which is the only stat that counts. Having said that though, before that last long drive Clemson used to run out the clock, we had more total yards and were killing 'em in time of possession. If I had seen our total yardage stats and TOP numbers after the third quarter without watching any of the game, I'd have thought we were up by a couple of scores or so...
The two turnovers were killer...our D not being able to get off the field on third down was killer...us only getting 3 points on 4 trips inside the 10 (if I recall correctly) was killer. Think I saw a stat where Lawrence was something like 8 of 11 for ~250 yards and 2 TDs on third down alone...think he had less than 100 yards throwing on the other downs...
The game should've been at least competitive. All credit to Clemson though as they forced most of our mistakes...they were much better prepared for this game than we were...
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 1/12/19 at 1:33 pm to John Milner
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Tua was so good at checking down in the early part of the season that Gary Danielson raved about it several times.
I agree, and it pains me to ask, but what happened ya think ?
Did it not seem to line up perfectly with the Heisman hype ?
Posted on 1/12/19 at 1:38 pm to PowHound
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Tua was so good at checking down in the early part of the season that Gary Danielson raved about it several times.
I agree, and it pains me to ask, but what happened ya think ?
Did it not seem to line up perfectly with the Heisman hype ?
Yeah. I think that's exactly what it was. He became the Heisman front runner, got the stars in his eyes, and eschewed the check downs for the pretty ESPN highlights. I also don't think it was entirely his fault. I think the OC saw those same stars. He could have sat down Tua for a few series, considering how much Hurts had improved, and "encouraged" Tua to check down more often, as he was doing early in the season.
In any event, I suppose it was a great learning experience, and I expect Tua to be much better next season. I mean, it was his first season as a starter too. I only wish Dan Enos were going to be around to help Tua improve. Who knows, we may get another great qb coach. I think Werner is pretty good.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 3:27 pm to PBD4BAMA
I think most are overreacting. That’s understandable given the shock of that beating we took Monday evening.
But, Saban is the post-Bryant GOAT and if he wanted Enos to stay, Enos would be at Alabama, right now.
Nobody leaves Alabama and Nick Saban to coach at Miami under Manny Diaz because they want to.
He was either encouraged to look elsewhere or he was disgruntled because he wasn’t getting the OC gig (which became more apparent each day that passed after Locks announced his move that Enos wasn’t announced as OC).
There were better coaches than Enos before Enos and there will be better coaches than Enos, tomorrow and Monday and going forward. We won a Natty with Doug Freaking Nussmeier. Let THAT sink in.
Settle down and stay off the Rant. Nothing there but idiots, trash, and trolls.
When you read and hear that Coach Saban has retired in a few years, then you can start to worry... a little.
But, for the foreseeable future, we’re going to be just fine.
But, Saban is the post-Bryant GOAT and if he wanted Enos to stay, Enos would be at Alabama, right now.
Nobody leaves Alabama and Nick Saban to coach at Miami under Manny Diaz because they want to.
He was either encouraged to look elsewhere or he was disgruntled because he wasn’t getting the OC gig (which became more apparent each day that passed after Locks announced his move that Enos wasn’t announced as OC).
There were better coaches than Enos before Enos and there will be better coaches than Enos, tomorrow and Monday and going forward. We won a Natty with Doug Freaking Nussmeier. Let THAT sink in.
Settle down and stay off the Rant. Nothing there but idiots, trash, and trolls.
When you read and hear that Coach Saban has retired in a few years, then you can start to worry... a little.
But, for the foreseeable future, we’re going to be just fine.
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 1/12/19 at 4:18 pm to Chancellor
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if he wanted Enos to stay, Enos would be at Alabama, right now.
There are too many coaches that moved on pretty quickly to think Saban can keep any coach he wants. It's ok to face that fact because Saban doesn't generally have a problem finding other good coaches.
edit to say that Bama Bo, and probably others, have suggested it may have been a problem over contractual terms. That actually makes sense and seems reasonable.
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Posted on 1/12/19 at 4:28 pm to John Milner
It’s also ok to face the fact that Saban often asks coaches to move on (even after a year, sometimes), after seeing that they are not a good fit (hello, Major Applewhite, Doug Nussmoron, et. al.).
I’m not saying Enos was asked to leave. He may have been. He may not have been.
But, it was apparent and obvious that Saban did not want him as OC. Whether he decided to move on because he felt slighted due to that or because he was asked to is irrelevant.
The bottom line is that IF Saban wanted him at Alabama, he’d be at Alabama... with the keys to the best offense in college football, a legit shot at a title, more money than he’ll ever see at Miami, and better potential for a head coaching gig.
You don’t just leave Alabama and Nick Saban for Miami, a 1/4 full stadium, the worst fan support in football, and Manny Diaz because it’s been a career goal.
The sky ain’t falling. Some posters need to come in off the ledge.
I’m not saying Enos was asked to leave. He may have been. He may not have been.
But, it was apparent and obvious that Saban did not want him as OC. Whether he decided to move on because he felt slighted due to that or because he was asked to is irrelevant.
The bottom line is that IF Saban wanted him at Alabama, he’d be at Alabama... with the keys to the best offense in college football, a legit shot at a title, more money than he’ll ever see at Miami, and better potential for a head coaching gig.
You don’t just leave Alabama and Nick Saban for Miami, a 1/4 full stadium, the worst fan support in football, and Manny Diaz because it’s been a career goal.
The sky ain’t falling. Some posters need to come in off the ledge.
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 1/12/19 at 4:38 pm to Chancellor
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it was apparent and obvious that Saban did not want him as OC.
If it were apparent and obvious, so many people wouldn't have been so surprised when it happened. There were no earlier reports of Saban interviewing or pursuing other candidates for OC though he has known for a good while now that Locksley would not be here.
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The bottom line is that IF Saban wanted him at Alabama, he’d be at Alabama
Whether it was problems with contractual issues, or someting else, that's conjecture, and as many coaches who were short term at Alabama, not reasonable conjecture.
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The sky ain’t falling. Come in off the ledge.
Maybe some have been unreasonably concerned about this, but a review of my posts will make it pretty clear that I haven't been one of them. It's a discussion board, though, so we probably shouldn't expect everybody to be happy about losing a very good qb coach, and one who was a good OC at Arkansas. Arkansas. Think about that for a minute.
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Posted on 1/12/19 at 4:51 pm to Chancellor
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You don’t just leave Alabama and Nick Saban for Miami, a 1/4 full stadium, the worst fan support in football, and Manny Diaz because it’s been a career goal.
There is that arrogance that we are sometimes hated for. I actually hope you are right but you are only speculating whilst wearing your crimson shades. I am on record believing that we are still in good shape but right now, nobody knows what is going on. Maybe Saban just didn't have confidence in Enos but I don't believe that for a second.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 6:08 pm to Commander Data
Well, if believing a job at the best program in the nation in the middle of the GOAT Dynasty in the history of the sport, under the post-Bryant GOAT Head Coach, with the most talent on offense of any team outside of the NFL is a better gig with better future prospects than a mid-tier ACC team under a 1st-year head coach makes me arrogant while looking through my Crimson shades... then I'm guilty as charged.
I agree nobody knows what's going on. I'm not even saying that CNS did encourage him to look elsewhere. I'm just saying that if CNS really wanted to Enos to be OC, Enos would be OC.
Maybe CNS wanted him to stay in his current role. Maybe Enos didn't like the terms of what CNS offered (if he did offer him the OC position), and decided to leave.
Either way, it's apparent (to me, anyway) that CNS was comfortable with him walking away if he didn't like the terms. All things being equal as it regards contractual terms (and CNS has/had the power to make them equal if he desired to do so), no one is choosing Miami over Bama.... UNLESS, they just don't like the workload (in which case, I'm sure Saban would rather them leave).
And I am fine with it, too. Enos was a good QB coach, no doubt. But, let's stop pretending he's the only one who can do a great job and that our success was dependent upon Enos. It's not. It wasn't. There are other coaches out there who can do a great job and we'll land them. We were winning before Enos joined the staff a year ago. And we'll most likely continue to win after Enos is gone.
Again, the sky isn't falling.
I agree nobody knows what's going on. I'm not even saying that CNS did encourage him to look elsewhere. I'm just saying that if CNS really wanted to Enos to be OC, Enos would be OC.
Maybe CNS wanted him to stay in his current role. Maybe Enos didn't like the terms of what CNS offered (if he did offer him the OC position), and decided to leave.
Either way, it's apparent (to me, anyway) that CNS was comfortable with him walking away if he didn't like the terms. All things being equal as it regards contractual terms (and CNS has/had the power to make them equal if he desired to do so), no one is choosing Miami over Bama.... UNLESS, they just don't like the workload (in which case, I'm sure Saban would rather them leave).
And I am fine with it, too. Enos was a good QB coach, no doubt. But, let's stop pretending he's the only one who can do a great job and that our success was dependent upon Enos. It's not. It wasn't. There are other coaches out there who can do a great job and we'll land them. We were winning before Enos joined the staff a year ago. And we'll most likely continue to win after Enos is gone.
Again, the sky isn't falling.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 6:30 pm to Chancellor
And maybe, just maybe, Enos and some of the others that left don't want to work 16-20 hour days and work 7 days a week, 365 days a year for a curmudgeon on good days, and an a-hole on bad days, even if he is the GOAT, only to get their shite pushed in for the natty.
I'm not bashing Saban, that's just the way he works and there's not many that can stomach it for more than short term. These coaches are still people. They have families and lives outside of football. They have wives. They all know, going into the profession, their outside life is going to be meager at best. Then Saban takes that to the extreme. Home life gets uncomfortable because everyone is unhappy with the demands. They put up with it for brief periods to get better offers and better jobs. People define better in different ways. Better may be an easier, less stressful situation than working for the most demanding coach and most demanding fanbase in football. Yes, we are partly to blame too. No matter how good our coaches are, in our eyes, in those rare losses, they are blind morons that couldn't see the obvious answer that Joe Bamafan on the Rant can see.
And sooner or later, the list of people that are willing to endure it for a time might not run out, but it will get to names of coaches we don't want because they are just not very good coaches. Maybe we're reaching that point on some positions.
I'm not bashing Saban, that's just the way he works and there's not many that can stomach it for more than short term. These coaches are still people. They have families and lives outside of football. They have wives. They all know, going into the profession, their outside life is going to be meager at best. Then Saban takes that to the extreme. Home life gets uncomfortable because everyone is unhappy with the demands. They put up with it for brief periods to get better offers and better jobs. People define better in different ways. Better may be an easier, less stressful situation than working for the most demanding coach and most demanding fanbase in football. Yes, we are partly to blame too. No matter how good our coaches are, in our eyes, in those rare losses, they are blind morons that couldn't see the obvious answer that Joe Bamafan on the Rant can see.
And sooner or later, the list of people that are willing to endure it for a time might not run out, but it will get to names of coaches we don't want because they are just not very good coaches. Maybe we're reaching that point on some positions.
This post was edited on 1/12/19 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 1/12/19 at 6:51 pm to phil4bama
well if diaz says to enos, the offense is yours to do as you wish. saban looks at enos and says, i want a certain type of offense, we'll talk about it. your getting a significant pay raise with diaz, this year. yeah i can easily see why he bolted. plus the cigars in miami are better.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 7:00 pm to crimsontater
I think if Saban wanted to - he could have made eons an offer giving him full autonomy or telling him he can run whatever style he wanted.
Saban not wanting to give that up vs. Enos deciding to leave to pursue that kind of opportunity is really just an argument of semantics and perspective.
Saban not wanting to give that up vs. Enos deciding to leave to pursue that kind of opportunity is really just an argument of semantics and perspective.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 7:46 pm to Sneaky__Sally
With and without regard to the comings and goings of coaches in mid-January, the notion that the Crimson tide will have a poor coaching staff for the 2019 season is asinine.
Bama is fine.
Bama is fine.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:46 pm to prevatt33
Sark back to Tuscaloosa. Are you worried now, Prevatt?? I know that certainly made me cringe and throw up in my mouth a little. Rome is burning.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 8:49 pm to phil4bama
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Sark back to Tuscaloosa. Are you worried now, Prevatt??
Not Prevatt, but I'm not worried.
Again, we won a Natty with DOUG NUSSMORON and almost won a Natty with Mike Locksley.
I'd rather have someone else, but we'll be fine.
The sky is still not falling.
Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:07 pm to phil4bama
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curmudgeon on good days, and an a-hole on bad days,
If he is such an a-hole, how come coaches like Burns, Smart, and Cochran stayed with him for so long? How come several coaches, like Steele, Davis, and Thompson, came back to coach for him again after leaving? How come so many coaches come to Bama to rehab their careers? How come so many former players stay involved and connected to Saban, coming back to the school for games, workouts, and advice? How come so many players, former and current speak so fondly of him? How can he recruit so well?
If he were that much of a curmudgeon/a-hole, no one would want to coach or play for him. All most of us see is Coach Saban on the sideline during a game and answering questions from the press...we don't see him behind the scenes. Here's a good article about the side of Nick Saban we don't see:
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Posted on 1/12/19 at 9:16 pm to OldPete
I envision CNS very much like Walter Matthau: a crusty old grumpy SOB to people who don’t know him well but to those he is close to, a grumpy old teddy bear.
If you don’t hang around him long enough to get beneath the exterior, that’s how you know him.
If you don’t hang around him long enough to get beneath the exterior, that’s how you know him.
Posted on 1/13/19 at 2:21 am to phil4bama
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Are you worried now, Prevatt??
No, I'm not.
Sark has a useful skill set and is really well thought of in offensive circles. Also ought to be a bang up recruiter.
I don't have nearly as bad of an opinion of him as some here, and he'd have coached us to a Natty if Bo Scarborough had more resilient leg bones.
Regarding the alcohol issues, it seems to be a thing of his past, and Saban wouldn't hire the guy TWICE if he had continuing substance abuse issues.
I'm kool moe dee on Sark's hiring, however it fits in with Long's.
Posted on 1/13/19 at 7:10 am to prevatt33
Enos shares why he picked Miami over other opportunities (247Sports)
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Miami offensive coordinator Dan Enos has plenty of opportunities to coach in the same role at other programs.
Both Alabama and Georgia were interested in hiring Enos to fill their offensive coordinator job, but in the end he picked the UM program led by first time head coach Manny Diaz.
Enos explained why on the Sport Talk With Bo Mattingly show in Arkansas on Friday... (read more)
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