re: Does anyone actually think a healthy, experienced Ty Simpson wouldn’t have won the Heisman

No and Austin Mack is better

No

First year starting QBs that I have watched win national championships at Bama:

Steadman Shealy...1979
Jay Barker...1992
Greg McElroy...2009
AJ McCarron...2011
Jake Coker...2015
Mac Jones...2020

Jalen Hurts was 2 minutes away from being on that list.

Most of our national championships in my lifetime have been won by first time starters. It may not be ideal, but history says the team can be hugely successful behind a first time starter...who is well coached.

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Most of our national championships in my lifetime have been won by first time starters. It may not be ideal, but history says the team can be hugely successful behind a first time starter

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Feel free to keep believing that the evolution of the NIL/Portal haven’t changed the history of college football. It’s probably why you wrote the “well informed” OP about Ty’s legacy.

Don’t worry, you may be last to the party but give it another 10 years or so and you’ll eventually see things aren’t the same as CFB was in 2020 or prior.

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There’s already been two this decade.

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NIL/Portal have evolved greatly just in the past 3 seasons.

The only 1st year starter to win a NC in the 2020s is Mac Jones, and that was a unique Covid situation and well before the portal/NIL craziness we’ve seen in the past 3 seasons. That 2020 3 deep roster was stacked.

Only tape they needed was watching our OL and lack of run game.

Any post high school experience playing QB is going to be significant game experience, but obviously some are better than others. Chambliss and Stetson Bennett both had a year starting at a lower level before their first year in the SEC and clearly it is beneficial.

Since you’re so confident I’m wrong, let’s place a wager. I’ll give you 2-1 odds that a 1st year starter (defined as the first year they are starting post high school more than 6 games in a single season) won’t win the NC over the next 5 years. Can be take a break from the board (if you win, I break for 6 months and if I win, you break for 3 months or something like that). Could be 3-1 odds over the next 3 years, 5-1 odds over the next 2, or 10-1 for 2026 if you want to shorten the timeframe.

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You continuously make some of the most dumbass comments. My goodness just give it up.

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Yeah, I never know what I’m talking about and it’s why I’m always willing to back it up with a wager that people usually aren’t willing to take me up on (usually they either walk back their claims or try to squirm around semantics to avoid it). If you think I don’t know what I’m talking about, man up to a challenge and we’ll see who is right. It’s pretty simple.

My aim is not to dissuade you from your opinion, as it appears you are very certain of your conclusions.

I think most all posters in this thread would generally agree that experience (returning starter) at the QB position (or any other) is typically a positive trait.

However, I believe you are falling victim to recency-bias, along with putting too much stock/belief into something that has such a small sample size (2) . Honestly, it’s debatable if it can be called a “sample size” at all. Personally, I would say 5 seasons would be the very minimum to draw conclusions from this new Playoff.

Here are some additional factors anyone doing a “study” on your notion that staring experience is required at the QB position to reach the semifinals (even if it’s one season of D-2 ball apparently):

- First off, there will always be a smaller number of starting QB’s with zero starting experience going into the season compared to those who have starting experience.

That fact alone is going to make it less probable for a 1st time starter to win the Title, but that’s only due to the mathematical probability, and nothing to do with whether it is possible or not…..we already know that it’s possible bc several 1st year starters here at Alabama have won a Title.

For example, if a QB starts all 4 years of college, he will have exactly 1 chance to win it as a “1st year starter” and 3 chances to win it as a QB with “starting experience”.

It is very rare for a QB to only start just one season in their entire collegiate career.
This becomes even more less likely since you are including experience at the Division-2 level being equivalent to FBS (Chambliss- Ole Miss).

I will pose one last question to you for my own curiosity’s sake if you do not mind?

- Hypothetically: If you knew for certain Russell (or Mack) was a superior QB compared to Simpson in most every aspect of playing the position …would you still prefer CKD to go with Ty Simpson as the starter next year strictly because of your notion that starting experience is a prerequisite for reaching the semifinals in the new 12-Team Playoff Format?

Thanks