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re: Defensive Woes- Is the Talent there?
Posted on 10/14/24 at 4:41 pm to JoylessMurderball
Posted on 10/14/24 at 4:41 pm to JoylessMurderball
Wommack’s non-aggressive play calling is what got us here. We were blitzing at a 9% clip heading into this game, one of the lowest in the country. That’s with a DL that isn’t getting organic pressure on 3-4 man rushes and a secondary full of youth. It’s absolutely unacceptable that we aren’t trying to help out our young secondary by affecting the QB more.
It literally makes zero sense to do what he’s doing (or not doing, I guess)
It literally makes zero sense to do what he’s doing (or not doing, I guess)
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 4:43 pm
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Posted on 10/14/24 at 4:47 pm to bamabenny
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Wommack’s non-aggressive play calling i
I knew from his and player quotes about getting “more eyes on the football” that we were going to play a lot of zone . It can be effective but ours has too many holes
Posted on 10/14/24 at 5:05 pm to Bear88
A good team will pick zone apart. Sit in the holes and wait for the pass. We need to be aggressive on the LOS. Win that and go from there.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 5:09 pm to CrimsonBoz
If you can stop the run with 5 , you can play man with 2 high safeties and be aggressive . Saban liked to play that a lot but not sure we can stop stay in that type of defense yet
ETA - I prefer aggressive myself
A good zone is hard to teach kids IMO. Takes a lot of film study and “feel for the game “ players . Odom when he was at Arky got his kids to play it pretty well with what he had to work with
ETA - I prefer aggressive myself
A good zone is hard to teach kids IMO. Takes a lot of film study and “feel for the game “ players . Odom when he was at Arky got his kids to play it pretty well with what he had to work with
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 10/14/24 at 6:30 pm to CrimsonBoz
Got to get #34 on the field much more going forward. He has the speed to make stuff happen. He made the USCe QB throw before he wanted on the two point pass attempt.
He might grab the headgear of the QB as well.
#90 and #94 look promising as well with their minutes Saturday.
If you enjoy frustrating yourself, then watch the last 10 minutes of the game and see what a clusterfeck that was.
He might grab the headgear of the QB as well.
#90 and #94 look promising as well with their minutes Saturday.
If you enjoy frustrating yourself, then watch the last 10 minutes of the game and see what a clusterfeck that was.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 6:48 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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#90 and #94 look promising as well with their minutes Saturday.
Agreed. 90 flashed some. Made some nice plays. Good motor.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 6:57 pm to Hawaiian Punch
He absolutely needs to get more minutes. He can rush the passer but also has the bulk to hold up against the run.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 7:16 pm to CrimsonBoz
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A good team will pick zone apart.
This is what kills me about Wommack. We play a ton of zone on manageable passing downs like 3rd and 9. It's insane. On 3rd and very long where you just want to keep the play in front of you it's fine, but if it's realistic for a player to run a short route, turn around, catch the ball, and immediately fall down for a first down you don't need to be playing zone in that situation. It's a huge reason why our 3rd down defense is fricking trash.
This post was edited on 10/14/24 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 10/14/24 at 7:41 pm to JoylessMurderball
Maybe it is maybe not. It’s hard to tell if it’s more the scheme or talent. HTT, Harris, and Mack Wilson all look better in the NFL than they did in college. I’m not saying they’re All Pros in the NFL (especially Mack) but they look more physical and overall less confused. They got tons of criticisms here under Golding’s defense and coaching yet are all starting caliber NFL ILBs now
Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:04 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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When 0 and 11 are your starting ILBers then you have a big problem.
Number11 reacts so slowly it’s as if he smokes weed right before the game.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:06 pm to TS1926
Justin Jefferson should be starting ahead of Campbell at this point. He’s better.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 10:25 pm to GreenJay
Very true. Too much trash talk and penalties
Posted on 10/15/24 at 12:22 am to bamatide07
Probably something that is in a-lot of our heads but not typed out is this:
Our entire defense is playing a scheme they have never played. Our ILB’s are 3/4 guys. We need and this is my opinion to get Jefferson in because he simply attacks the runners. I get frustrated but have to remember this fact with our personnel.
Side note zone has been terrible for us on 3rd down.
Need 34, and 4 in the game a lot more.
Our entire defense is playing a scheme they have never played. Our ILB’s are 3/4 guys. We need and this is my opinion to get Jefferson in because he simply attacks the runners. I get frustrated but have to remember this fact with our personnel.
Side note zone has been terrible for us on 3rd down.
Need 34, and 4 in the game a lot more.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 8:45 am to bamabenny
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Wommack’s non-aggressive play calling is what got us here. We were blitzing at a 9% clip heading into this game, one of the lowest in the country. That’s with a DL that isn’t getting organic pressure on 3-4 man rushes and a secondary full of youth. It’s absolutely unacceptable that we aren’t trying to help out our young secondary by affecting the QB more.
It drives me crazy that a good bit of our 3rd down looks are DL stunts and soft zone. I dont think we need to be exotic in a pressure package but it's like he's scared to call a 5 or 6 man pressure with press man behind it until the last drive of the game Saturday. I would rather give up a deep ball to get the offense back on the field then allowing someone to throw a damn slant over and over again to convert a 3rd down.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:01 am to bamatide07
He’s better than Lawson too
Posted on 10/15/24 at 9:04 am to Woody4daTide9
I'd rather make the QB throw an accurate pass while under pressure on 3rd down and give up a TD than give up 10, 12, or longer drives that end up with a TD anyway.
If you bring an extra guy that puts your young DBs on an island, which can cause problems. But there's a chance you get a turnover or sack. As is, we are just getting murdered on 3rd down and giving up TDs anyway.
If you bring an extra guy that puts your young DBs on an island, which can cause problems. But there's a chance you get a turnover or sack. As is, we are just getting murdered on 3rd down and giving up TDs anyway.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:08 am to CrimsonBoz
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Our entire defense is playing a scheme they have never played. Our ILB’s are 3/4 guys. We need and this is my opinion to get Jefferson in because he simply attacks the runners. I get frustrated but have to remember this fact with our personnel. Side note zone has been terrible for us on 3rd down. Need 34, and 4 in the game a lot more.
Preach. With that being said roster management has to be a PITA with NIL and the locker room.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:14 am to JoylessMurderball
Defensive stats for the past 4 years
2021 18th
20.1 points a game
302.9 yards a game allowed
4.8 avg yard per play
63.7 plays per game by opposing offense
85 yards ruching per 32 attempts
63% comp by QB
2.5 TDs a game
1.3 TOs per game
6.8 penalties per game for 49.5 yards each game
2022 9th
18.2 points per game
318 yards a game allowed
4.6 avg yards per play
69.3 plays per game
130 yards rushing per 35.9 attempts
54% comp by QB
2 TDs a game
1.1 TOs
6.7 penalties per game for 51 yards each game
2023 16th
19 points per game
316 yards a game allowed
63.1 plays per game
124 yards rushing per 33.6 attempts
59.3% comp by QB
2 TDs a game
1.4 TOs per game
5.1 penalties per game for 39 yards each game
2024 #41
20.8 points per game
342 yards a game allowed
73.8 plays per game
129 yards rushing per 38.8 attempts
58.6% comp by QB
2.3 TDs per game
2.0 TOs a game
5.7 penalties per game for 45.7 yards each game
The big things that stand out are the number of reps on defense which as someone pointed out earlier is an issues this season. Also teams seem to be more successful running the ball at us. QBs are not as successful but we need to get more pressure. Turnovers we are a head of pace.
2021 18th
20.1 points a game
302.9 yards a game allowed
4.8 avg yard per play
63.7 plays per game by opposing offense
85 yards ruching per 32 attempts
63% comp by QB
2.5 TDs a game
1.3 TOs per game
6.8 penalties per game for 49.5 yards each game
2022 9th
18.2 points per game
318 yards a game allowed
4.6 avg yards per play
69.3 plays per game
130 yards rushing per 35.9 attempts
54% comp by QB
2 TDs a game
1.1 TOs
6.7 penalties per game for 51 yards each game
2023 16th
19 points per game
316 yards a game allowed
63.1 plays per game
124 yards rushing per 33.6 attempts
59.3% comp by QB
2 TDs a game
1.4 TOs per game
5.1 penalties per game for 39 yards each game
2024 #41
20.8 points per game
342 yards a game allowed
73.8 plays per game
129 yards rushing per 38.8 attempts
58.6% comp by QB
2.3 TDs per game
2.0 TOs a game
5.7 penalties per game for 45.7 yards each game
The big things that stand out are the number of reps on defense which as someone pointed out earlier is an issues this season. Also teams seem to be more successful running the ball at us. QBs are not as successful but we need to get more pressure. Turnovers we are a head of pace.
This post was edited on 10/15/24 at 10:16 am
Posted on 10/15/24 at 10:31 am to TideWarrior
I don’t think we are crazy off considering everything. We’ve also left what 5-6 TOs on the field? Wild.
Posted on 10/15/24 at 11:33 am to JoylessMurderball
It’s some of both. Alabama has not had elite DT since 2016. When you have studs on your front 7 it can mask a lot of deficiencies. Alabama has not been an elite defensive front for a long time now. Our LB play has not been elite since 2017 either. We wasted Will Anderson
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