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Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:02 pm
Understand it’s been a bit, but it’s still on my mind. Any thoughts on why we didn’t adjust to have safety help once we started getting beat deep? Seems like we were being hardheaded and kept getting caught with our pants down.
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Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:11 pm to GeekedUp
It was maddening.
I don’t know shite about strategy.
But can Alabama not jam receivers off the line and get really aggressive rushing the passer?
It’s 2022. Teams can throw the ball if they have time. And elite passing teams can barely be stopped.
Why not get aggressive af and throw timing and comfort off?
Who gives a shite if Hooker picks up 10 yards on a scramble sometimes? At least he isn’t launching bombs with ease. And hell, he picked up yards with his legs anyways.
I don’t know shite about strategy.
But can Alabama not jam receivers off the line and get really aggressive rushing the passer?
It’s 2022. Teams can throw the ball if they have time. And elite passing teams can barely be stopped.
Why not get aggressive af and throw timing and comfort off?
Who gives a shite if Hooker picks up 10 yards on a scramble sometimes? At least he isn’t launching bombs with ease. And hell, he picked up yards with his legs anyways.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:12 pm to GeekedUp
I think the extra help on the backend would have prompted Tennessee to adjust and start running the ball more. Remember they were having success running the ball which opened up their passing game. Had Bama stuffed the run and forced them into 2 or 3rd and long, it could have been a completely different game.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:13 pm to GeekedUp
I guess Heupel was designing these mismatches and Golding/our D couldn't figure it out.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:28 pm to GeekedUp
Teague’s take explains a lot. It’s definitely worth the listen.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:40 pm to GeekedUp
Hopefully if there’s another chance in the SECCG, they bring a legit blitz. I’d rather make Hooker beat Bama with his legs than get burned. Seems like that’s the one game where the front 7 played a bit too soft to keep him contained. Containment doesn’t matter when he has 8 seconds to throw to a 4.3s receiver though.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:41 pm to GeekedUp
Replacing Hellams with Ricks would have solved a lot of it, or Arnold replaces Hellams and Ricks takes Arnold's spot.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 4:52 pm to Night Vision
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Replacing Hellams with Ricks would have solved a lot of it, or Arnold replaces Hellams and Ricks takes Arnold's spot.
Putting a CB at safety is never a reasonable choice in the Saban system...unless the CB has been schooled to know the adjustments that happen almost every play. Ricks is just now coming together with system knowledge at CB, he would be lost at safety. Arnold is a RS FR, no chance he is ready to handle two vastly different positions.
One player out of place (even a little) and you get 11 running down the middle of the field with no one close to him.
Also, bump & run does not work against an off the line WR. You have to be close enough to hit them off their track before they can make a move or get up to speed. 11 spent a lot of time in the slot off the line or #2 man in a stack. No way to check him - that was by design.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:06 pm to Tw1st3d
Spot on.
This was simply designed by Huerpel to take advantage of a mismatch. Any safety playing where Hellams was is going to get burned in that defense. It keys on having a legit burner a Wr. We did it all last year with Jameson Williams. If the safety starts to back pedal to take away the deep ball, the WR will simply cross in from of him and take it for a TD. If he waits to see what route the WR is running, the WR will blow past him for a TD. Hellams waited every time. Safeties are a horrible matchup there and I don't think we have any safeties capable of matching that speed.
Golding or Saban should have changed to man on man and had the CB hit them hard at the line to throw off the timing of the throw, as well as blitzing so he doesn't have time for the routes to develop. I would imagine we will put forth a much different defense if we meet again in the title game.
This was simply designed by Huerpel to take advantage of a mismatch. Any safety playing where Hellams was is going to get burned in that defense. It keys on having a legit burner a Wr. We did it all last year with Jameson Williams. If the safety starts to back pedal to take away the deep ball, the WR will simply cross in from of him and take it for a TD. If he waits to see what route the WR is running, the WR will blow past him for a TD. Hellams waited every time. Safeties are a horrible matchup there and I don't think we have any safeties capable of matching that speed.
Golding or Saban should have changed to man on man and had the CB hit them hard at the line to throw off the timing of the throw, as well as blitzing so he doesn't have time for the routes to develop. I would imagine we will put forth a much different defense if we meet again in the title game.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:08 pm to Tw1st3d
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Teague’s take explains a lot. It’s definitely worth the listen.
Not sure what you’re talking ambit would definitely be interested. Really enjoy X’s and O’s
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Putting a CB at safety is never a reasonable choice
Agree for the most part. Not sure why they didn’t have a deep safety after one or two deep passes. I’d rather make them drive the length of the field.
Who knows, we may have had 35 penalties if we did that though.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 5:31 pm to Tw1st3d
Why did this get downvoted? This is how football works.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 6:13 pm to hwnd
LMAO. Read this board and you will realize that most of the posters don't understand how football works, and will down vote because they can't argue and won't put their name out there. Any down vote(or upvote) system that doesn't put people's name with it is trash used primarily by trolls.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 6:33 pm to Remiden
quote:I don’t doubt it was a terrible matchup but he would be lined up 15 yards from Hyatt and then crash in on him while Hyatt said see ya later. It was ridiculously bad defense on top of a terrible matchup.
Any safety playing where Hellams was is going to get burned in that defense
He should not have been doing that knowing damn well Hyatt was going deep.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 6:56 pm to Remiden
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Golding or Saban should have changed to man on man and had the CB hit them hard at the line to throw off the timing of the throw, as well as blitzing so he doesn't have time for the routes to develop.
We were playing man and many of those throws were timing first reads so there is no guarantee out guys would have gotten there.
What I believe we should have done was show man and roll to cover 3 on snap. Have safety play deep middle and CBs press then match vertical.
That would have at least curbed Hooker throwing deep and made him have to actually make more than one read. With that time we could have put pressure on him.
Some plays I would leave it man but whenever they triple or bundled I would immediately switch zone upon snap until they made me stop.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 8:06 pm to GeekedUp
It’s a difficult offense with how far they spread you out. To combat that the defense has to be simple. In the box, give our guys one gap. We stunted 31 right out of the play multiple times. On the back end, if you’re going to play coverage, actually play coverage with safeties over the top. If we’re going to expose our DBs, get to the quarterback. There should not be a scenario where Hellams is one on one off the line to 40 yards downfield while there’s no pressure on the qb. If I’m going to put my safety in that position I’m sending the house every time.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 8:40 pm to Notorious1918
Should have switched to zone after the 3rd long TD pass.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 8:47 pm to RTRcdub
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Hopefully if there’s another chance in the SECCG,
It will be a much different game. We were ill prepared for their attack and made no adjustments.
Posted on 10/25/22 at 9:32 pm to CrimsonBoz
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It will be a much different game. We were ill prepared for their attack and made no adjustments.
I believe we adjusted but we just did simple things which they easily countered.
Like even on that last long TD, we move the safety over the top and had Malachi Moore play man.
Rocky top OC saw that and just changed their formations to ensure Hellams had to shade to the opposite side. Once they saw him shade, play is called easy throw and catch because Malachi can't run with Hyatt and Hellams shaded to the other side won't get there in time if timing is done well on the throw.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 6:27 am to YStar
If we beat LSU and Ole Miss we’ll have two weeks (three really) knowing who we’ll play in the SEC game. I pray if it’s Tennessee our coaches, Saban included, will be prepared and prepared to adjust on defense.
Posted on 10/26/22 at 6:59 am to Syd
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If we beat LSU and Ole Miss we’ll have two weeks (three really) knowing who we’ll play in the SEC game. I pray if it’s Tennessee our coaches, Saban included, will be prepared and prepared to adjust on defense
doubt if adjustments will suffice. Their running game, HUNH, QB runs, blazing WR and accurate QB with minimal drops by WR is tough to stop especially since our DLine was completely neutralized. They have found what beats saban defense and have pieces to make it successful. The only way to beat it would be reckless abandon and do the unexpected gamble get INT, sacks negative plays.
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